Friday, September 12, 2014

[Video] See It Now 'The Birthers: Obama's Birth Certificate'

Here it is... the VisionTV special from Canada that you won't otherwise see in the United States... the special that takes an honest look at the controversy surrounding Obama's so-called birth certificate. Now you can watch it...






Be sure to click the button on the left that reads "Watch" in the new window that will appear after clicking on the video above...

46 comments:

  1. There is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate. Birthers simply claim that it is forged---well, what else would you expect them to do? It is simply one of their many lies---like the lie that said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother had said he was born in Kenya (when she actually said that he was born IN HAWAII---want to see the transcript of the call?).

    Birther sites have not shown their readers all the many real experts who say there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate. Nor have they explained the research on how the Xerox WorkCentre works:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

    NOR have they told their readers that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin), have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. Nor have they explained to their readers that the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" sections of the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 could ONLY come from the DOH of Hawaii, and that at the time the DOH only sent out birth notices to children that it had issued birth certificates to---and that at the time the DOH of Hawaii was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children who were not born IN Hawaii.

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    1. Look! - I just found your tinfoil hat - Size 7, Right?
      It was on the floor over here >>>>>

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    2. Male bovine excrement ! At the time obummer was born you could get a certificate of live birth from Hawaii regardless of where you were born.

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    3. (when she actually said that he was born IN HAWAII---want to see the transcript of the call?)

      You should have a look at the transcript of the call...

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    4. mr footprint the hat is too small he needs one a bit bigger

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    5. Re: "At the time obummer was born you could get a certificate of live birth from Hawaii regardless of where you were born. "

      Answer: NO, that law was not passed until 1982, more than twenty years after Obama was born. In 1961, when he was born, it was not ALLOWED for the DOH of Hawaii to issue a birth certificate to a child who was not born IN HAWAII. (And even with the change in the law, the DOH is not allowed to LIE about the place of birth. In other words, now it can issue a BC to Hawaii residents visiting in Detroit when their child is born---but the BC has to say on it "Location of birth--Detroit." In any case, that was NOT allowed in 1961. In that year Hawaii could only issue BCs to children born IN Hawaii.

      Re: Chris Carmouche said: "You should have a look at the transcript of that call..."

      (Here is my transcription of what is happening after 5.11 on the tape (5 min and 11 seconds roughly))

      MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

      [Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only]

      OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

      MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

      OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

      MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)

      [At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman’s voice.]

      OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

      Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.

      Ogombe then repeats that she was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.

      End of Transcript

      Moreover, Chris, there still has not been a shred of evidence that Obama's mother even HAD A PASSPORT in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did), and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad in the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths.

      Yet you seem to think that BOTH of those highly unlikely things happened, AND that Obama's mother traveled ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama's father was in Hawaii throughout 1961) to Kenya (where Yellow Fever was endemic at the time, so you had to get Yellow Fever shots---which are bad during pregnancy) AND that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying AND that the birth notices in the 1961 newspapers are forged.

      And then there is the INS report on Obama's father's residence status, which said "one child, born in Honolulu" and the Hawaii teacher who wrote home, to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named STANLEY from the head of obstetrics at Kapiolani Hospital.

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    6. You Drink the Kool-Aid GOOD !!!

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    7. I sell the big iron Xerox printing and scanning solutions like the DocuMate 4799 with Docucolor 7000 and 8000 and EFI Fiery RIP server EXP-8000, about the size of five refrigerators, as well as the little buddies and the DocuMate line from the 4799 to the DocuMate 3940 and the Xerox WorkCentre systems including the 7535. So what, you sell Xerox?! OK, just to satisfy my curiosity I procured and scanned in a long form birth certificate to memory 'PDF storage' an what did I get? Something that was not too surprising to me but will no doubt piss off the people saying it is possible the document was scanned into many layers. I got ONE.

      Contrary to what lies are being told by apologist that refuse to believe the document was created, which it clearly was, Xerox scanners like these will not generate several different OCR fonts, and overlay them in a single document without human intervention, as in pasting in and selecting different fonts, adulterating and modifying a document, also all the Xerox products and the RIP server pull a scan as a single layer. Talk to any professional printer, to the above poster you are a Tool and a FOOL.

      Xerox built its reputation and business on producing Perfect facsimiles or Xerox copies - exact duplicates of documents, not producing Franken Documents that are easily manipulated. Think about it. Honestly how many banks would purchase a Xerox WorkCentre 7535 if that machine would allow you to scan in a check and pull the watermark off as a separate artifact (layer) absolutely preposterous!

      I am not a Birther just a guy trying to survive the Affordable Healthcare Act 'Obama Care' mandated Heath care TAX, I had to let 12 employees go - sales people, support staff and technicians to fall under the radar for the mandated minimum 100% full coverage which would have cost my business over $ 15,000 per employee per year - mandated - That is the truth!

      Obama's posted birth certificate WAS 100% NOT scanned with a Xerox WorkCentre 7535 and got that result - Buy one from me and try it yourself! Put your money where you mouth is, Buy one from me, scan a real birth certificate and if you get layers with multiple fonts... Its yours free! Step UP or Shut UP!

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    8. Re: "I got ONE."

      Did you scan the document, put it into PDF and then open the PDF file in Adobe Illustrator? That is what the Research did:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

      Moreover, the National Review opened an ordinary PDF file with Adobe Illustrator, and got LAYERS.

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      AND, finally, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed ALL the facts on the published copy o Obama's birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.

      Are you asking rational people to believe that Obama forged a birth certificate in which the facts are EXACTLY the same as what was sent him? If not, are you seriously claiming that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are lying?

      Birthers, however, have lied a lot of times in the past. And, although you claim that you are not a birther, how do we know that you are telling the truth?

      Re not liking Obama Care---many people don't. But, guess what, not liking Obama because of Obama Care (or for any reason), is not proof that he was born in a foreign country.

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    9. Hmmm...I see many holes in your beliefs. Answer me this:
      1. Why are there no baby photos and the earliest photo out shows Obama at about 3 years old with his "mother" in Indonesia?
      2. How can Stanley Ann Dunham give birth to Obama in Hawaii when she was enrolled and attending the Washington University? If you are going to check this out use the UW records.
      3. If he is a US citizen why did he attend college as a foreign student from Indonesia? If he was naturalized then where are the documents?
      4. Why did the Democrat Party remove the requirement of natural born citizenship from the state endorsements? Why didn't Hawaii and Colorado delegates refuse to sign the endorsements?

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    10. 1. Re: (1) Why are there no baby photos and the earliest photo out shows Obama at about 3 years old with his "mother" in Indonesia?

      Answer: There ARE baby pictures:

      http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2Fcbbcnews%2Fhi%2Fnewsid_7830000%2Fnewsid_7839500%2F7839596.stm&h=0&w=0&tbnid=D3u4ORAgI76F3M&zoom=1&tbnh=191&tbnw=264&docid=S9z0YsOjjLbxqM&hl=en&tbm=isch&ei=-REWVMqwCtG1yATBtYGABA&ved=0CAQQsCUoAA


      https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=615&q=obama+as+a+baby&oq=obama+as+a+baby&gs_l=img.12..0j0i5l3j0i24.3453.6279.0.8925.15.13.0.2.2.0.166.1415.5j8.13.0....0...1ac.1.53.img..0.15.1418.7pSGr2V_Gaw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=tiMrGLmp0Nf1RM%253A%3B4gXRya4fkVwNjM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fblog.seattlepi.com%252Fcapitolhill%252Ffiles%252Flibrary%252FBarackBabyssm.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fblog.seattlepi.com%252Fcapitolhill%252F2010%252F04%252F29%252Fbarack-obama-is-our-neighbor%252F%3B250%3B222

      But, duh, not having baby pictures does not show that someone was born in a foreign country. There are for example no publicly available baby pictures of Clinton, and he was not born in a foreign country.

      Re: “2. How can Stanley Ann Dunham give birth to Obama in Hawaii when she was enrolled and attending the Washington University? “

      Answer: She began attending Washington University in Seattle in mid-SEPTEMBER and gave birth to Obama in early in AUGUST.

      Re: “3. If he is a US citizen why did he attend college as a foreign student from Indonesia? “

      Answer: He never attended college as a foreign student, and it is DUMB to think he did because: (1) the story comes from AN APRIL FOOL’S ARTICLE; and (2) you or anyone can call Occidental College and Columbia University and ask for the PR Departments in each case and ask whether Obama was a foreign student---and he wasn’t. (You will find the telephone numbers of Occidental and Columbia higher on this page.)

      The second part of the question is about Obama being naturalized. Answer: Since Obama never lost his US citizenship (in particular, he never became a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Embassy of that country will show ((202) 775 5200---ask for the press officer)), he never had to be naturalized. He was born in Hawaii and became at birth a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN, and he never lost his US citizenship. And it is simply DUMB to think that there is even a rational chance that Obama was born in a foreign country.

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      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

      (3) Obama’s relative would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, Obama’s relatives would have had to have found one of the very few women in Hawaii with fathers of that name to do it).


      (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

      Re: “Why did the Democrat Party remove the requirement of natural born citizenship from the state endorsements?”

      Answer: Because that is a birther MYTH. It is not true.

      Both the Democrats and the Republicans gave every single US state exactly what its state law required in terms of certification of eligibility. And the proof of that is that both the Democrats and Republican candidates were accepted as eligible and put on the ballot in alll 50 states. It is LOONY to think that the Democrats (or any party for that matter) did not provide something that South Carolina or Texas required as a statement of eligibility and yet South Carolina and Texas allowed the candidate to be on the ballot. What gave you the NUTTY idea that the Democrats (or the Republicans) did not provide the information that each state required? Of course they did. Each state has its own requirements for a statement of eligibility, and each party provides what each state requires---and has done so for decades, and the proof that it provided the information required is that its candidate was listed on the ballot of that state.What gave you the notion that that did not happen?


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    12. Do you actually believe that crap? Numerous document experts have declared it a fraud. I'm not saying where Obama was born because I DON'T KNOW!!! Why he needs a fake birth certificate should raise suspicion even in your tiny brain. I'm not going into the particulars of why the certificate is a fake BECAUSE THE DATA IS ALL OVER THE WEB!! Your governor of Hawaii was NOT ABLE TO PRODUCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS PROMISED so where you get the bizarre notion that he sent a copy to the White House is beyond me. If it's any help to you the stolen social security number from Connecticut should give you a clue to Obama's relationship with truth..

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    13. Chuck said: "Numerous document experts have declared it a fraud. "

      Yes, some BIRTHER "document experts" have claimed that is is a fraud, but what else would you expect birther "experts" to say? Birthers LIED when they claimed that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when the transcript of the taped telephone call shows that she said repeatedly that he was born IN HAWAII.

      (Birther sites simply refused to quote her words and in fact cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born, so that people could not hear what she said for themselves.) Zealots who would lie like that about what was in a TAPED telephone call would lie about Obama's birth certificate being forged too.

      And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

      Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

      Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

      Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.


      And birthers have not explained this:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

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    14. Continuing:

      Re: "Your governor of Hawaii was NOT ABLE TO PRODUCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS PROMISED..."

      Answer: NO. That was a birther site SAYING that he was looking for the birth certificate. A BIRTHER site.

      In fact, he never said any such thing.

      And FOUR officials in Hawaii all confirmed that they saw Obama's birth certificate, and, to repeat, Abernathy never said that he could not find it (or that he was looking for it).

      Re how I know that Hawaii "sent a copy:"

      Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/


      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a strong supporter of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Re SS number from Connecticut:


      The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

      Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers and/or multiple social security numbers, which were caused mainly by data entry errors:

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have

      http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html

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    15. Hey mr. smrstrauss smart guy...When did Obama arrange or employ you to falsley disseminate all of the proven facts surrounding this strange and flawed character, who with the help of political Liberal & socialists operatives on both sides of the isle, succeeded in being fraudulently elected to the most powerful political position on our planet. All of your well rehearsed & self serving dissertation is meaningless.
      You are only one Obama operative against the many thousands of ordinary US Citizens, Legal professionals and legitimate investigators including myself who by years of in depth research have learned the truth about this fraud. He is not and was never an American Citizen who perjured himself when he was sworn into the Presidency by confirming he was an American Citizen. I look forward for the day that he is either impeached or steps down from the Presidency and is subsequently charged with perjury and punished to the full extent of the law..Your lengthy long winded responses sound very much like Obama's Teleprompter read oratory; Packed full of exaggerated lies and untruths.It is obvious that you have obediently followed the script that your idol has instructed you to put forth in an effort to stop the ever increasing call from the american people for this phony to either produce a valid true unquestionable US Birth Certificate and explanation as to why he is using a forged social security number or step down. There is no question that you are one of his many Liberal Socialist operatives who was given the job of attempting to dispell all of the undisputed facts surrounding this undesputed fraud. I characterize all your bloviating to be nothing but pure hot air because you have a Obama loving Socialist Liberal agenda to support, so I urge everyone who has been following your responses on this Site to take it for what it's worth which is spreading the Obama edict as cover for the truth about this Phony.. 

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    16. Re: “When did Obama arrange or employ you to falsley [sic] disseminate all of the proven facts surrounding this strange and flawed character..”

      Answer: I’m not paid by anyone—are you paid? If so, does the payment change the facts?

      No it doesn’t does it? And the FACTS show overwhelmingly that Obama was born IN HAWAII. Not liking him does not change that FACT.

      Re: “ succeeded in being fraudulently elected…”

      Answer: IF Obama had been fraudulently elected, Mitt Romney and/or Paul Ryan and/or Karl Rove and/or the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said that there was something fraudulent about the election, but not one of them did---NOT ONE, and Obama’s election was confirmed by the US Congress UNANIMOUSLY.



      Re: “He is not and was never an American Citizen…”

      Answer: Since he was born in Hawaii, he is a Natural Born US citizen. (EVERY child born on US soil, and Hawaii is US Soil, is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats and of members of invading enemy armies.)

      And, since you apparently believe that he was born somewhere else, then you should at least TRY to answer this question:


      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

      (3) Obama’s relative would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, Obama’s relatives would have had to have found one of the very few women in Hawaii with fathers of that name to do it).


      So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

      (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

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      Re: “I look forward for the day that he is either impeached or steps down from the Presidency…”

      Answer: He will step down when his term ends which will be at Noon on January 20, 2017. Before then you will have the right to vote for someone who you prefer to replace him, and I and millions of others will probably vote for Hillary.



      Re: “Packed full of exaggerated lies and untruths.”

      Answer: Here, once again, are the links to the FACTS.

      Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/


      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a strong supporter of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

      Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

      (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      Here is the Index Data file:

      http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html


      Re: “the ever increasing call from the american people for this phony to either produce a valid true unquestionable US Birth Certificate…”

      Obama has shown the birth certificate of Hawaii twice.

      First he showed the short-form official birth certificate, the one that Hawaii has issued since 2001 and that everyone in Hawaii uses to get their US passports. And the facts on that document were confirmed by three Republican officials in Hawaii. Then, he showed his long-form birth certificate, and the director of health of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the birth certificate being copied and that the copy was authentic. Also, as the links above show, the officials of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent both the short form and the long form to Obama and that ALL the facts on Obama’s birth certificate are exactly the same, that all the facts MATCH, the facts on what they sent to Obama.



      Re: “There is no question that you are one of his many Liberal Socialist operatives who was given the job…”


      Answer: I’m not paid by anyone. Are you paid? If so, does it change the facts?

      Re: “of attempting to dispell all of the undisputed facts surrounding this undesputed [sic] fraud. ..”

      Answer: I have shown the facts and provided links to confirm them above.



      Re: “you have a Obama loving Socialist Liberal agenda to support, so I urge everyone who has been following your responses on this Site to take it for what it's worth which is spreading the Obama edict as cover for the truth about this Phony..”


      Answer: Neither a liberal agenda nor a conservative agenda can change the place where a person was born. And Obama was born in Hawaii----as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the papers, where Obama’s birth notice appeared, and in 1961 the DOH only sent out those notices for children born IN HAWAII) all show.


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    18. Anonymous , You are an idiot, OBAMA WAS NEVER BORN here, and GUESS WHAT IDIOT, OBAMA LAWYERS HAVE STATED IN COURT??????????????? that the BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS FRAUD//////////// GUESS YOU HAVE NO BRAIN CELLS and YOU DON"T PAY ATTENTION TO TRUTH

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    19. Re: "OBAMA WAS NEVER BORN here, "

      Answer. of course he was, and you'd have to be dumb to think that there was even a rational CHANCE that he was born anywhere else.

      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

      (3) Obama’s relative would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, Obama’s relatives would have had to have found one of the very few women in Hawaii with fathers of that name to do it).


      (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

      Re: "and GUESS WHAT IDIOT, OBAMA LAWYERS HAVE STATED IN COURT??????????????? that the BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS FRAUD////////////...."


      Answer: No. A BIRTHER site made that up. Obama's lawyers never said that at all. (And you have to be particularly gullible to believe a birther site when it claims that Obama's lawyers said in court (or anywhere) that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

      BTW, it is not forged. Birther sites have not shown you all the real experts who say that it is not forged (I wonder why they hide them from you???) and they have not answered this at all:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

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  2. His social security number is "flagged" as fraudulent. How can he have a Connecticut SSN if he's never been there?

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    1. NO, that occurred after Obama's SS number had been published. But by then Obama had cancelled the one that was published and got a new one. The birthers checked the OLD number, the one that had been published, and it did not exist because it had been cancelled. That is why it was flagged as "false."

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  3. I need a taller ladder.
    The elephant crap is getting deep.
    This nonsense has been shown to be a lie more times than I can count.

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    1. Did you know, if you turn off your ObamaPhone, and quit drinking
      the Kool-Aid, your headaches will stop - and the "voices" will go away?

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    2. Notice that Mr. Footprint has not responded to a single fact. (I wonder why not???)

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  4. Isdrael forsnic people, Russian forsnic people, Austrailan forsnic people, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UK. Canada. and South Africa, all have published the birth certificate is a fraud, they all say, he was born in Kenya, so does Kenya, And to top that off, he recieved foreign aid tho attend Columbia College. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, will not let him back in there countries because he is in the Muslim Brother Hood. His two day stay in Saudi Arabia ended up being a two hour stay. The King kicked him out of the country. Egypt, they have been our ally for years. Not anymore, not till Obama is gone.

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    1. Re: "Isdrael forsnic people, Russian forsnic people, Austrailan forsnic people, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UK. Canada. and South Africa..."


      Baloney they have. About five or six birther "experts"---most by far who have no technical expertise at all---have CLAIMED that Obama's birth certificate is forged. And the five or six includes Doug Vogt, who has claimed that he discovered "the original Altar of Abraham"---but never showed it (I wonder how sane he is??) and Paul Irey, who has insisted that Obama never attended Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying several times that Obama graduated from Columbia College (I wonder how fair and impartial Irey could be??).

      With the single exception of Reed Hayes, who has not proven his expertise in examining digital documents (he is a specialist in documents on paper, and he has not seen the paper copies) and who admits he has not seen the research on the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works, ONLY birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged. And they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).


      And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

      Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

      Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

      Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

      Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

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    2. One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

      Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

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    3. Re: "received foreign aid when attended Columbia College."

      Answer: Saying that without checking is truly dumb because here is the telephone number of Columbia University (212-854-5573.) You can call them up and ask for the Public Relations department, and ASK whether he received foreign aid (He didn't). Oh, and you can do the same thing for Occidental College (he did not receive foreign aid there either): (323) 259-2677))

      Oh, and the Kenyan government has said that it investigated, and that Obama WAS NOT born in Kenya.

      http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …

      Also the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) report for the year Obama was born shows that only 21 people TOTAL came to the USA from Kenya, and that of them only ONE came by air. The rest all came by ship---and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii at the time, making the alleged trip by Obama and his mother most unlikely----to say the least.


      Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for the year that included August 1961:


      http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n4/mode/1up


      Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

      On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

      So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

      There were, as I said, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961---making the alleged trip by Obama's mother and Obama highly unlikely.

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  5. It is easy enough for anyone with Adobe Illustrator or its equivalent to examine the original version of the image posted on the White House website, before it was replaced with a "flattened" version. I did that a few days after it went up. One can see the editing steps taken to create the image, with pieces taken from different images assembled to produce the fraud. It is not even a competent effort, such as professionals like those at the CIA would do. It is the work of a clumsy amateur. You don't have to believe me. Do your own analysis.

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    1. Jon said: "it is easy enough for anyone with Adobe Illustrator..."

      Jon: The fact that when you open the PDF image of Obama's long form shows LAYERS and other anomalies is normal. That is how a scanned complex document put into PDF and opened with Adobe Illustrator normally looks. What made you think that it would be a photographic image of the document???

      This is what happened:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

      Moreover, you can see above (but for convenience, I'll show it here) what the National Review said about opening the PDF with Adobe Illustrator:

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      Moreover, Jon, recall that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor, have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that the facts on the copy the White House put online are exactly, repeat EXACTLY, the same, that they MATCH, the facts on the birth certificates that they sent to Obama.

      Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/


      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

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  6. I see that the Obama busy bees are at work trying to convince that the document is not a fraud. I wonder how much they are paid to troll the internet to "Set people straight" about the birth certificate. Too much, because it isn't working.

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    1. The claim that Obama's birth certificate is a fraud comes from birthers---what else would you expect them to claim?

      The nutty claim has not been taken seriously by a single member of Congress or by Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee or Mitt Romney or Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or the National Review.

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    2. Is that what it takes for Obama to survive.....assign people like you to muddy the waters. Are you capable of telling the truth about anything? The country is at stake, but people like you think this is some kind of game that you must win regardless of whether we become Obama's Socialist Utopia or not. Can't you see that Obama only cares for Obama? He doesn't give a damn about you or your support for him. All he cares is that he wants to destroy the constitution. If he succeeds because people like you helping him to accomplish that, your freedom to post your left wing idiocy will be gone. Don't think so? Read History for the forming of the communist takeover resulting in the USSR creation. When the socialists / communists took control, people like you ended up in work camps. If you can be against Constitutional rule, then you can eventually be against communist rule, and they cannot take a chance of people like you remaining free.

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    3. Re: " Can't you see that Obama only cares for Obama?"

      Answer: Not liking someone is not proof that he was born in a foreign country. Not liking someone's political leanings ALSO is not proof that that person was born in a foreign country.

      YOU have the right not to like Obama because you disagree with his policies, but this blog is about the allegation that Obama was born in a foreign country (which he wasn't) and that his birth certificate is forged (and that is not true either).

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  7. Wow, the Organizing for America pro-Obama bloggers are thick on this site. You guys have how many propagandists posting for the Democrats?.....3,500 at last report. Each and every one of your bogus arguments about Obama's past frauds have already been proven: the fake Birth Certificate; the fake Social Security; the fake Selective Service form. You left wing idiots are way too late. What's proven is proven. It is what it is and you can't do a damn thing about it.

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  8. The smrstrauss comments sound so authentic. Yet, perhaps too authentic. In other words they are so comprehensive (but not credible) that it sounds more like the work of a professional White House flak.

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    1. No, he sounds exactly like one of the Organizing for (a Socialist) America bloggers who permeate all blog sites which are anti-Obama. They cannot disprove anything already proven. All they can do is attempt to spread doubt. Truth to left-wing idiots is like garlic to a vampire.

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    2. Re "professional"

      Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not paid by anyone.

      To RATIONAL people the facts speak for themselves:


      Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/


      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

      Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

      (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      Here is the Index Data file:

      http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html


      Also, there is no indication that Obama’s mother even had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad in the last few months of pregnancy. Yet birthers hope a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that both of those happened and that Obama’s birth certificate is forged and the officials of both parties are lying and the Index Data and the birth notices are forged and the INS inspector made an error in his “one child, born in Honolulu” note and the teacher who wrote home was lying. But you’d have to be terribly GULLIBLE to think that all of that happened.

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  9. Wake Up!!

    ITS NOT ABOUT ANY BIRF CERTIFICATE.....

    Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen...
    HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT

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    1. Obama was born on US SOIL, in Hawaii (as his birth certificate and the confirmations and the Index Data and the birth notices in the 1961 Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii all show).

      And every child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats and members of invading enemy armies.


      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      "Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)


      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/



      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

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    2. Dry up you Obama Liberal Socialist. You're full of hot air just like your idol.. All your answers are fabricated to protect your idol from the ever growing cry from the American people to produce an authentic, unquestionable true US Birth certificate and answer why he is using a forged SS #. I urge everyone to disregard this phoney Obama oprative.

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  10. Big John said:

    "ever growing cry from the American people to produce an authentic, unquestionable true US Birth certificate .."

    Answer: Dream on about the "ever growing cry."

    Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all call birthers CRAZY. Obama's election was confirmed twice UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress---and that included the votes (twice) of Rep. Michele Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul. Conservative leaders Gingrich, Santorum and Huckabee have all said that they do not believe the birther myth. The Conservative Secretary of state of Arizona was asked by birthers to check on Obama's place of birth. So he did---he asked the officials in Hawaii to confirm the facts on Obama's birth certificate, and when they did, he accepted the statement by the officials in Hawaii and not the ravings of the birthers.

    Re "forged SS number:,,,

    Answer: The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error.

    SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

    Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers and/or multiple social security numbers, which were caused mainly by data entry errors:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have

    http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html

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  11. His father was a British subject. That alone disqualified him.

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    1. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not the citizenship of the parents at the time of birth. That makes Jindal and Rubio, and yes, Obama, eligible to e president (I'm not sure about Cruz since he was born in Canada). But Obama and Jindal and Rubio for sure.


      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      "Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)


      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/



      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

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