Monday, May 12, 2014

Breaking: The Names Of The Alleged Obama Birth Certificate Forgers

The document is now available for viewing or download at the Scribd.com website.




According to the Birther Report, "DC Reporter Randy Foreman today obtained a copy of Doug Vogt's sealed filing now at the US Supreme Court which includes the list of people Doug Vogt believes forged Obama's long-form birth certificate."

"The list includes, Johanna Ah'Nee, Kevin Davidson (Dr. Conspiracy), Loretta Fuddy, and Alvin Onaka... Miki Booth implicated..."

Download The 26 Page Document



65 comments:

  1. The Supreme Court refused to look at the sealed documents. This decision by the Court left Vogt with no choice but to unseal the records. Now the only way to get these documents was for someone to physically go to the court and get them. Some reporter, named here as Randy Foreman, went to the court and was able to read that report. Now the cat is of the bag and there are reports that at least some of those named in the sealed documents have received death threats. Perhaps now the court will put these people into protective custody and proceed to convene a Grand Jury, hopefully more than one Grand Jury so we can have some assurance of an honest process, to hear the evidence and let the chips fall where they may.

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    1. The Supreme Court will refuse to hear this case regardless of the content of the documents. The legal and political ramifications of Obama being determined as ineligible to hold the office of president will cause a HUGE legal problem as it will (or should) invalidate every law he signed any Executive Orders or any foreign treaties he may sign.

      Not that I personally would have a problem with that.

      I just hope IF they take it and IF Oama is determined to be ineligible, that he is thrown in jail to rot for the rest of his life.

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    2. Re: "The Supreme Court will refuse to hear this case..."

      Answer: The Supreme Court will refuse to hear this case because they think it is stupid. The nine justices are not dumb, and you have to be DUMB to think that there is even a rational chance that Obama was born in a foreign country and hence that his birth certificate was forged. And, since Obama really was born in Hawaii, a US state, he is for sure a Natural Born US citizen.


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      They won't take the case because they know, as does the US Congress----which confirmed Obama's election twice UNANIMOUSLY, including the votes of Rep. Michele Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul----that Obama IS eligible.

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    3. You seem to be a paid troll with a long line of "talking points" whenever to issue of Obama being an illegitimate President pops up on conservative websites.

      I've heard other Constitutional experts say that the Founding Fathers required 2 things for a person to be judged a "natural born" US citizen:
      1. BOTH parents to be US citizens
      2. Born on US soil

      Obama obviously fails #1 & may also fail on #2 if he cannot produce an original birth certificate that can be physically examined & verified by a forensic expert on detecting forgeries.

      Why hasn't Obama produced an original, verifiable birth certificate?

      Your long standing English common-law principle that grants citizenship is compatible to being a "native born" (not natural born) citizen.

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    4. Dear smrstrauss,
      You are absolutely correct that the Supreme Court will refuse to hear this case because they are not dumb. They know that by hearing the case, they will have to declare him ineligible to hold office, and it will create absolute chaos. They're just hoping somehow it will all go away, because THEY KNOW that he is an imposter. As you said, they are not dumb. If he were NOT an imposter, they would certainly hear the case and put it all to rest, but they know what the outcome will be if they even hear it, because they know the truth.

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    5. Re: “You seem to be a paid troll…”

      Answer: I’m not paid. Are you? If you were, would it change the facts? If we both were, would it change the facts? Answer: No it wouldn’t---but in any case, I’m not paid. Are you?

      Re: “I've heard other Constitutional experts say that the Founding Fathers required 2 things for a person to be judged a "natural born" US citizen:
      1. BOTH parents to be US citizens
      2. Born on US soil”


      Answer: How many "experts"???---perhaps three or four or five BIRTHER “constitutional experts.”

      Well, in 2008 birthers tried to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes from Obama to McCain or just not vote claiming that Obama was not born in Hawaii and/or that two citizen parents are required. And, guess what, not a single Elector changed her or his vote.

      Obama won 356 electoral votes in the general election, and he received the votes of 356 electors. Not one changed. Same in 2012. Obama received 332 electoral votes in the general election, and he received the votes of 332 electors. Not one changed. You know, if even one elector had thought that Obama was born in a foreign country or that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen, then that ONE changed vote would show that birthers have convinced some intelligent person. But not one did. And the same goes for the US Congress, which confirmed Obama’s election UNANIMOUSLY twice---and that includes the votes of Rep. Michele Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul. It seems that not one of 535 members of congress in two elections (1,070 total) thought that Obama was either born in a foreign country or that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.

      Re: “Obama obviously fails #1…”

      Answer: NO Obama does not fail a damn thing. He is eligible, but a few birther lawyers think that he isn’t.

      Well, they are wrong (which is, duh, why Obama was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY and why he was sworn in by that RINO, the Chief Justice of the USA).

      And, btw, the birther side brought lawsuits claiming that Obama was not eligible to NINE different appeals courts, and lost every single one of the cases, and they appealed at least one of the cases to the US Supreme Court---the Farrar Case in Georgia, and the US Supreme Court turned down the appeal, leaving the ruling of the lower court-----that EVERY child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen (except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders) STANDING.

      Here are some of the rulings:

      Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

      Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

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    6. Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

      Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion."


      Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”


      Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”

      And on October 1, 2012, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of the last of the rulings shown above, the Farrar case, which had ruled that "children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents." By rejecting the appeal, the US Supreme Court allowed the ruling of the lower court to STAND.

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    7. Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

      Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion."


      Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”


      Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”

      And on October 1, 2012, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of the last of the rulings shown above, the Farrar case, which had ruled that "children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents." By rejecting the appeal, the US Supreme Court allowed the ruling of the lower court to STAND.

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    8. Re: “& may also fail on #2 if he cannot produce an original birth certificate that can be physically examined & verified by a forensic expert on detecting forgeries.”

      Answer: What a nutty idea. George Bush’s birth certificate was not examined by anyone. He did not even show it. Mitt Romney’s birth certificate was not examined by anyone (He showed only an image of a black and white photocopy). Clinton’s birth certificate was never shown nor Bush41’s nor Reagan’s nor any other president. Yet, simply because people who hate Obama claim that his birth certificate is forged YOU think that unless Obama shows the original (which even he does not have access to), he was born in a foreign country.

      First, the original birth certificate is not the official birth certificate. The physical COPIES are the official birth certificate. THEY have the official seal on them, the copy in the files does not. Obama has in fact shown both the physical copies of the short form and the physical copies of the long form to the press, and more important, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii said over and over and over again in writing and in legal statements that they sent those copies to Obama and that every single fact on the copies that are online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.


      Re: “Your long standing English common-law principle that grants citizenship is compatible to being a "native born" (not natural born) citizen.”

      Answer: You are not entitled to determine the meaning of Natural Born Citizen. The US Supreme Court has that responsibility, and it said in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of NBC comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth and that every child, repeat EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born Citizen (except for the children of foreign diplomats). Hence, the Heritage Foundation book is right, and you are wrong:


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]


      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/


      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

      Re: “They know that by hearing the case, they will have to declare him ineligible to hold office, and it will create absolute chaos.”

      Answer: No they have a simpler reason, much simpler. They think that the birther claims are NUTTY and they do not agree with them. They do not agree with the stupid myth that Obama was born in a foreign country, and they do not agree with the notion that two citizen parents are required either, and neither did the US Electoral College or the US Congress---the first of which did not change a single vote to vote against Obama in 2009 or 2012, and the latter of which voted to confirm Obama UNANIMOUSLY twice.



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    9. Hey smrstrass. Did you ever watch DUMB AND DUMBER. Anybody with half a brain and does his homework will find that our communist and thief occupying the WH was born in Indonesia. Ask yourself this question, why would a man spend almost 2 million dollars to make sure his real birth certifcate never surfaces? Duh.... Next, when he went to school in Indonesia as a boy of which you had to be a citizen of that country only(NOT A DUAL CITIZEN) for a few years there is no record anywhere of where he became a legal citizen of the US again, his selective service document was doctored, his SS# belongs to a dead man. What else do you need to prove this man is an ILLEGAL ALIEN A PHONY AND A FRAUD???? Wake up before you smother!

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    10. This is not a case about where Obama was born. This is a case about that part of the 5th Amendment dealing with misprision. It raises the question of do citizens still have the right to the grand jury process. It just can't get more fundamental than that.

      Citizens can and have been imprisoned under these laws. The remedy for this is for a citizen to go to a court and present evidence of a crime. At that point they are relieved of the burden and the court then must call a grand jury to hear the evidence.

      If there is no longer a remedy then we have a conflict whereby an innocent person cannot relieve themselves from an obligation. I would expect should the court refuse this case, that defense attorneys all across American would move to have their clients released from any penalty of this law. So apart from the personalities in here, this gets to some very fundamental constitutional issues.

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    11. any bets that smrstrass is really Dr. Crumbcake?

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    12. Re: “Ask yourself this question, why would a man spend almost 2 million dollars to make sure his real birth certifcate never surfaces?”

      Answer: He didn’t spend a cent. Obama has shown his short form and long form birth certificates, and the idea that he spend anything on hiding anything at all is a birther LIE.

      Re: “Duh.... Next, when he went to school in Indonesia as a boy of which you had to be a citizen of that country only…”

      Answer: That is a birther LIE too. And it is a dumb lie because anyone sensible could call up the Indonesian government and check. (Why don’t you try it???) First, there is NO such law. Second, Obam a was never a citizen of Indonesia. Never.

      Re: “his selective service document was doctored,”

      Answer: Obama never had his selective service document posted. So, if his selective service document was “doctored,” the only person who had the means opportunity and motive to do so was----wait for it---the guy who posted it online. The BIRTHER who posted it online.

      Re: ‘ his SS# belongs to a dead man. “

      Answer: That has been disproven---BOTH of the birther claims on the matter have been disproven. Ludwig’s’ SS number has been published and---wait for it---it is not the same as Obama’s. And “Harrison J. Bounel” does not have a SS file at all, the Social Security Administration has said. There is no Bounel so he could not have a SS number, and Ludwig’s is a different number. So the story that Obama is using a dead man’s SS number is false. His CT SS number was one of millions of data entry errors.


      SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

      Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have

      http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20013733-501465.html

      Re:” …an ILLEGAL ALIEN A PHONY AND A FRAUD???? Wake up before you smother!”

      Answer:: Rational people realize that such loony rants as the one shown above are driven by the motives of the person who wrote it.

      Obama has shown both his Hawaii short-form BC (the Certification of Live Birth, COLB, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year), and he has shown his long form Hawaii BC. And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and that all the facts, repeat ALL the facts, are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as what they sent to him. And Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, where Obama's birth notice was published, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).


      Re: “This is a case about that part of the 5th Amendment dealing with misprision.”

      Answer: Sure it is. Obama really was born in Hawaii and his birth certificate is not forged. It is only a case where Obama’s enemies claim that he was not born in Hawaii and that his birth certificate is forged. Well, what else would enemies do?

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    13. I've been reading your comments and have concluded that there are enough half-truths and outright lies being used that you have no credibility in what your write. I also conclude that either you have no offering of factual information, OR you are a professional disinformation propagandist. The honest FACTUAL information about Obama's fraud has already been proven, but you're trying to re-write what's already been proven. And yes, the Obama team included three legal agencies who continue to bury any of his background in Civil Court legality. Where do you think the money comes from to pay those three legal teams? Why does Obama even have to hide his background? Didn't he promise "transparency" prior to being elected, or was that just another one of his many lies? I believe that he's incapable of telling the truth about anything!

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    14. More than four months has passed since this article was posted and none of the alleged forgers have been charged with anything, and Obama is still president, and Sheriff Joe has not released anything new (but he does keep on asking for money).

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  2. I have long wished that the "real evidence" of Obama's "made up
    birth certificate" would be revealed and an honest Grand Jury and an honest - not paid off - Judge would preside...Think about the consequences of a "fake birth certificate" in relation to everything Obama has done, including ObamaCare. Nothing he has done is legal, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton are going down the tube because they were involved in the Bengazi CoverUp...they won't escape this, as well as Obama.
    Praise God, let there be light...and justice.

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    1. Dream on. Obama has shown his birth certificate from Hawaii twice, and the officials of BOTH parties have confirmed that they sent the copies to him and that ALL the facts on the copies that are online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

      Here are some of the confirmations:

      Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/


      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

      Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

      (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      Here is the Index Data file:

      http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html



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    2. That still does not prove the document was not forged. Anyone with half a brain can just see that it is a forged document. Plus the Connecticut SS# . And his Select services form forgery. On and On

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    3. Re: "That still does not prove the document was not forged. "

      Answer: Why. pray tell, would anyone forge his or her birth certificate to show that they were born in the USA when they were (1) really born in the USA, as the facts above show; (2) ALL the facts on the image of Obama's birth certificate----which you claim are "forged"-----are EXACTLY the same as on what Hawaii sent him, as the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly stated.

      Re: "Anyone with half a brain can just see that it is a forged document. "

      Answer: No, only birthers claim that they can see a forgery, and they have obvious MOTIVES to claim that they see that Obama's birth certificate is forged. Those are the same MOTIVES that led birthers to lie about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said. She never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly that he was born IN HAWAII, but birther sites refused to quote her and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born---to which she replied "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time" (I wonder why they decided not to let the visitors on their sites hear that???). So, obviously, their motive for lying about Obama's birth certificate being forged is the same as the motive for lying about what the Kenyan grandmother said.

      And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

      Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

      Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

      Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

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    4. Continuing:


      And now the claim about the SS# and the selective services form. It turns out that those are two of the standard birther LIES, which have the same motive behind them as the lie about what the grandmother said, and which, in your words, go on and on and on.

      Some examples of classic birther lies:

      (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so, IF it were forged, who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy---the guy who posted it.) The guy, who claims to have gotten the Selective Service card from the SS Administration, had the chance to fool around with the image before posting it online. Obama, who did not put it online or order it put online, didn't have that chance.

      (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

      (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---but the transcript of the call shows that she said that he was BORN IN HAWAII---why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

      (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that? Oh, and the stuff about Obama's number being the same as Ludwig's (the numbers were in fact different) or Harrison J. Bounel (the SS Administration has said it doesn't even have a file for anyone with that name or near it) is also false.

      (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

      (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

      (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"---but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they forged and posted those videos? (Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates." And what do you suppose was the motive for forging them??)

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    5. All I can say is you are one really stupid person. You are an absolute idiot.

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    6. For someone with all the answers you come up a bit short.
      Why would anyone forge their birth certificate?
      I'm really surprised that somebody as smart as you can't come up with at least 10 answers.....or are you just rabble rousing?

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    7. The issue of his birth has several facets, whether or not he was born in Hawaii is only one. The other facet is that even if his birth in Hawaii was confirmed, he is not a US citizen by birth. His father is British and his mother could not confer citizenship by virtue of her young age and Hawaii's status as a territory.

      Your other points are ones that have statements on both sides depending on who you read or listen to.

      Mr. Obama's entrance into this country was on a foreign student visa. He would not have needed this if he was a native born American.

      The birth origin issue is only one of many, although one of the first, that attests to Mr. Obama's failure to be transparent and open. Had he provided the evidence, as had Mr. McCain in the first election, the issue would have died years ago.

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    8. Once again, you seem to have a list of "talking points" ready to minimize any question of Obama's eligibility to be President. This would be easily settled if Obama, instead of signing Executive Orders to seal all his records, simply produced original, verifiable documents. To spend millions of dollars to keep those original documents in his possession & to keep hidden all his other old records speaks volumes to me that he has something to hide. In his own words,"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." Let's see the original documents. I certainly would not trust what someone on the phone says from Kenya, Indonesia, etc. Let Obama release all relevant documents for review & inspection if he's got nothing to hide!

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    9. Re: “If. Obama, instead of signing Executive Orders to seal all his records…”

      Answer: Birther MYTH. Obama has not sealed any of his personal records, they are simply covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws, the same laws that protect your and my personal records. And, guess what, Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show those records either. Nor did Bush (his transcript was leaked by Yale, but BUSH did not show it), or Clinton or Bush41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon or LBJ or JFK---etc. etc.

      Re: “ To spend millions of dollars to keep those original documents in his possession & to keep hidden all his other old records speaks volumes to me….”

      Answer: Birther MYTH. Obama has not spent a cent to hide a single document, not one. That is because---wait for it---birthers never ever brought a single lawsuit against Obama for him to release a single document, not one. The only lawsuits against Obama were to have him removed from the ballots. Obama spent money on defending lawsuits to stay on the ballot (not millions, perhaps a few score thousands, since it hardly costs much to file the same copper plate legal words in multiple lawsuits). Repeat, he spent a little money to STAY ON THE BALLOT---and of course he won. But, since he was never sued for documents or records of any kind, he did not spend a cent on not showing them.

      Obama did, however, voluntarily show both his short form and long form birth certificates, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that every single fact on the published copies is exactly the same as on what they sent to him. And the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate was sent to Obama in 1961 was also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.


      Re: “Let's see the original documents.”

      Answer: “Obama has shown the official copies of both the short form and long form, and more importantly the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent them to Obama. The original BC is in the files in Hawaii, and those files cannot be accessed by anyone other than authorized members of the Hawaii government and Hawaii does not send out originals, only official copies on security paper.

      Re: “I certainly would not trust what someone on the phone says from Kenya, Indonesia, etc.”

      Answer: Hawaii is neither Kenya nor Indonesia. You do not have to believe Obama’s Kenyan grandmother when she said that he was born in Hawaii. The birth certificate of Hawaii and the confirmation of it by the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are all sufficient. But, then, I post the facts for RATIONAL people if any of them should visit this site.

      Once again, Obama did not "seal" his records. They are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws, and he chose not to release his school and college transcripts, passport records, etc. because Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release theirs either.

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    10. Re: “The other facet is that even if his birth in Hawaii was confirmed, he is not a US citizen by birth. His father is British and his mother could not confer citizenship by virtue of her young age and Hawaii's status as a territory.”

      Answer: That is a STUPID birther myth. Every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders is a US citizen at birth REGARDLESS of the age of the mother at the time (The law that you have in mind referred only to births outside of the USA). And Hawaii was a state at the time and had been since late in the Eisenhower Administration.

      Re: “Mr. Obama's entrance into this country was on a foreign student visa. He would not have needed this if he was a native born American.”

      Answer: That is another birther MYTH, and, once again, it is a STUPID one because the original of the story came from AN APRIL FOOL’S ARTICLE.

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  3. Impeachment, Federal indictments coming... Congress may be appointed Executive power!.. This has never happened before!
    Build the wall on Mexican border, curtail all immigration to a trickle, this proves, the security of our nation, through immigration and some of those in the federal government either, incapable, compromising with created environment for treason & governmental fraud!.. Full Congressional Investigations!

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  4. If Obama the criminal traitor fraud aka Barry Sotero had nothing to hide his attorneys would have never advised him to seal his personal records to evade criminal prosecution and removal.

    Obama the criminal traitor fraud would have never stooped to procuring the presidency by connivance, fraud, massive voter fraud, rigged elections and violating United States Sovereignty by having our electoral votes counted in Spain by George Soros.

    Eric Holder the criminal traitor fraud was chosen by Obama's criminal regime to sustain lawlessness and violate our constitution by smoke screens as these criminal traitor frauds have all taken an active role in the "rigged elections, felonies, and acts of treason" in helping to sustain this illegitimate regime squatting in the White House.

    "One too many stand down orders and one too many massacres" to be coincidental during the takeover of this criminal regime.

    The continuous course of conduct has been relentless and carried out unconscionably with the intent of dismantling free elections, our constitution and laws, as this criminal misfit traitor fraud Attorney General uses his office in a "reverse role" protecting this Organized Crime Syndicate from prosecution and conviction as he fails to prosecute.

    Obama the criminal traitor fraud and his criminal misfits are looting our country's fortune by illegal contracts, redistribution and conflicts of interest that continue to rely on greed, corruption and monetary gain, that has in fact clearly demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt the compromising of our three branches of government.

    Obama the criminal traitor fraud including and not limited to corrupted politicians, corrupted judges and corrupted federal employees must be removed prosecuted, convicted and hanged in the interest of justice and national security.

    Joseph Ardito

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    1. Re: "If Obama had nothing to hide.....attorneys would have never advised him to seal his personal records to evade criminal prosecution and removal. "

      Answer: The fact is that none of Obama's personal records are "sealed." They are covered under the normal privacy laws, the same laws that keep everyone's personal records from being made public. And Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents and presidential candidates did not show their personal records either.

      Neither our electoral votes nor the votes of the general presidential election are counted in Spain by George Soros, and if there were significant electoral fraud affecting the 2012 election, Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Karl Rove or the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it----and not one of them did. Nor did Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee or Michele Bachmann or Rand Paul or Ron Paul.

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    2. Tell it like it is!!! Unfortunately, I think it's too late for the whole government not too go down. We are no longer a free nation thanks to so much corruption in Washington. This may be the only way the American people regain their freedom. God help us!!!

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  5. like I said earlier, "...a fish rots from the Head-down.
    So be it. RWBwolf

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  6. What are you people smoking. It is far stronger than marijuana.
    The "Obama birth certificate" thing was put to bed years ago. Are you just too stupid and stubborn to let it go.

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    1. Same thing was said about the Bengazi coverup maybe justice will be served now. The entire corrupt bunch should be in prison or better yet Hung.

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    2. Maybe in your feeble mind it has been put to bed. He is a FRAUD!!!!!!

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    3. Obama has shown both his Hawaii short-form BC (the Certification of Live Birth, COLB, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year), and he has shown his long form Hawaii BC. And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and that all the facts, repeat ALL the facts, are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as what they sent to him. And Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, where Obama's birth notice was published, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

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    4. obama, holder, reid, pelosi, abercrombie and the vast majority of "crats in congress, in the Hawaiian legislature AND the IDIOTS that voted for and STILL defend them are guilty of High Crimes and treason and worse...and I can't wait to see them all get their just rewards...bring back the gallows...

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    5. Go away smrstrauss, we have all read your rants and its quite obvious you are not after the truth.

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    6. Re: "its quite obvious you are not after the truth."

      Answer:

      IF YOU were after the truth, and honestly believed that Obama was born in a foreign country, then you'd be able to answer this question:

      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

      (3) Obama’s relative would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, Obama’s relatives would have had to have found one of the very few women in Hawaii with fathers of that name to do it).

      If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

      So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

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  7. Interesting background on Fuddy; http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/barack_hussein_soebarkah.html

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    1. Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama's birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a friend of Sarah Palin's), and all three of the others are still alive. And Obama's birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii). So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat, but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are just as strong as the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate----when there isn't even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

      The same applies to a claim of a payoff. It is far more likely that she was paid off by giant drug company that she was about to investigate than Obama because the only motive Obama could have was if he were actually born in a foreign country----which is about as likely as there really being a tooth fairy.

      In fact, there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a PASSPORT in 1961----and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time----and even fewer women, EXTREMELY FEW, traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths.

      Yet birthers hope to convince GULLIBLE people that both of these highly things took place AND that Obama's birth certificate is forged AND that the officials of both parties are lying (including Linda Lingle the former Republican governor) AND that the Index Data file is forged AND that the birth notices in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspaper were wrong or forged or could have been placed by relatives (they couldn't, only the DOH could send those notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section) AND that the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley was mistaken or lying (but her father's name really was Stanley). Only highly GULLIBLE people believe that there is a reasonable chance that all of that happened.

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  8. Uh oh!!...those named had better not take any flights from now until the criminals obama and holder are long gone...nor had they better have any unscheduled "dinners"... nor had they better take any "unscheduled" strolls in any park...obama and the 'crats don't allow people who know too much to go on breathing...

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    1. This person is obviously suffering from cranial rectum inversion.

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  9. smrsstrauss: keep drinking your kool aid while our country goes into the outhouse. Fool.

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    1. Regardless of your political views the facts are that Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born US Citizen. That is why he was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress twice---and that included the votes of Rep. Michele Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul. No matter how much they dislike the policies of Obama they recognize the fact of his place of birth and the fact of the meaning of Natural Born Citizen.

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    2. So you will have no problem with Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz--right?

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    3. Rubio and Jindal both were born on US soil so are without a shred of a doubt Natural Born US Citizens. Cruz MIGHT be under the broadest possible definition. But Cruz was born in Canada, and that is the reason for a doubt. Obama, of course, was born in Hawaii, and that alone is sufficient to be a Natural Born Citizen. Obama's birth in Hawaii has been proven overwhelmingly by his birth certificate and he confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home. And there isn't even evidence that his mother had a passport in 1961 and travel abroad by women late in pregnancy (and she could not have traveled early in pregnancy due to the college schedule) was extremely rare in those days to the risk of stillbirths.

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  10. Both "short" & "long' form" form BC's are proven forgeries (Cold Case Posse)

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    1. Only a few highly GULLIBLE people continue to believe Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse (which, BTW, keeps asking for money, and if you are gullible, well then go right ahead and contribute. They are about to announce something "universe shattering"----any day now.):

      http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/conspiracy-again-editors

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/03/banned-birther-breaks-br-censorship-barrier/

      http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/brian-reilly-spilling-the-beans-on-zullo/

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  11. smrestrajss sooooo why did Berry use a foreign student visa back when and, why is he still using a phony SS# today?
    Just curious?

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    1. Answer: Obama never used a foreign student visa. That is a birther LIE without a shred of evidence behind it, and what is more it is a stupid lie because the original of the story was AN APRIL FOOL'S ARTICLE.

      Re "Phony SS number." That is another lie. (See lie number 4.)

      Some examples of classic birther lies:

      (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy---the guy who posted it.)

      (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

      (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---but the transcript of the call shows that she said that he was BORN IN HAWAII---why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

      (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

      (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

      (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

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    2. Oh, and BTW, another birther LIE, and this one in an attempt to support the "foreign student visa" story, is the forged "Columbia University Student ID" that has the words "foreign student" on it. This is easy to disprove. Simply call up Columbia University, ask for the PR department and ask them whether or not Columbia University has ever had student IDs that identify foreign students any differently from US students. Answer (but by all means check for yourself): They never have.

      The MOTIVE for forging that "Columbia University student ID" is of course the same motive that led birther sites to claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (when she actually said that he was born in HAWAII repeatedly, but they cut off the tape recordings of her on their sites so that their visitors could not hear her words). And it is the same motive that causes birther "experts" to claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged, and the same motive that causes birther sites not to show all the real experts who say that it is not forged.

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  12. As Hilarious says, "What diff does it make at this point of...." Look, you wanna die, keep blowing the whistle on Al el Obalbo-the-Almost and "they' will be knowing on your door - strike that, BREAKING down your door. So much for America the Land of the free and brave.

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  13. WELL, IF THE PEOPLE ON THAT LIST AREN'T ALREADY WORM FOOD, THEY WILL BE FOR SURE NOW......................

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  14. One thing for sure, if anyone here needs some forgery done, don't hire anyone off of this list of clowns.

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  15. His grandmother in Kenya said he was born there you are fools I watch the segment of the news when and where she said it, are all u democrats blind, deaf and dumb?

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    1. Re: "His grandmother in Kenya said he was born there..."

      Answer: No, she did not say that. She said in fact that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII. And she said it repeatedly in the taped interview (want to see a transcript?). Birther sites simply cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born-----to which she replied "IN Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." But since the tape recordings were cut off on birther sites, the visitors to those sites could not hear her words. (Now, I wonder why they did that?)

      The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

      Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

      Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in hawaii obama birth notices 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

      And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

      And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

      “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

      “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

      http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …

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    2. Continuing::

      Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

      Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

      Oh, and there is this:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol …

      (The above is only a small additional bit of confirmation to the birth certificates and the confirmation of them by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. BUT it is significant that birther sites did not show it to you. They did not show it to your for the same MOTIVE that led them to lie and say that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya----when she actually said that he was born IN HAWAII.)

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  16. It is good to keep straus busy here so no further disinformation is spread by this group of nay sayers.

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    1. Notice that Anonymous has not responded to the facts shown above. Not one single fact. (I wonder why not???)

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  17. This one is not elephant crap, it is elephant barf.

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  18. So much for "Operation American Spring"

    http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/05/operation-american-spring-is-still-waiting-for-its-millions-of-patriots/371092/

    http://dcist.com/2014/05/photos_operation_american_spring_fa.php

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/16/watch-live-operation-american-spring-warns-of-fema-roundup-civil-war-chemtrails/

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  19. Why did Nancy Pelosi, chair of the DNC in 2008, alter the applications she sent to the fifty states to add Obama to their ballots after he was nominated by her party? These applications were affidavits that had to be legally signed and notarized and Pelosi signed them with the wording "eligible under the US Constitution" (as required by the states) CHANGED to something about ~eligible under the rules of the Democratic party~. These applications were available to the public for viewing in each state and unlike the Hawaiian birth certificate, they could not have been altered by conspirators in EVERY state... !
    So, why did Pelosi have to alter these apps for the FIRST time in our nation's history if Obama was "eligible under the Constitution"?

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  20. The argument over the zipcode and the SSN is not only invalid but its ridiculously dumb.

    SSN's are not issued by email or website. In 1977, BHO was 16 and living in Hawaii. He couold not possible have lived in Connecticutt where the SSN was issued to the applicant at the office where the application was filed in person. There is nothing in this picture about any zipcode. The application had to be filed in Conn., so the number issued was given a state code 042 signifying CT as the state of issuance. There has been several investigations into the actual person whose number is being used by BHO and there is a year of birth of 1890 assigned to that
    number. This is clear evidence that BHO is using a SSN that he could not possible have applied for. He was never a resident of Connecticutt and has no reason to use such a SSN except that it is a fraud hiding some eligibility problem. Perhaps he took an Indonesian citizenship when living there as a child and never again obtained his US citizenship after returning to Hawaii to live with his grandmother. He apparently applied to collage as a foreign-born student and also travelled to Pakistan in the '80's when Americans were not allowed to go there.
    He's a natural born liar but nothing else is true.

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  21. Re: “Why did Nancy Pelosi, chair of the DNC in 2008, alter the applications she sent to the fifty states to add Obama to their ballots after he was nominated by her party? These applications were affidavits that had to be legally signed and notarized and Pelosi signed them with the wording "eligible under the US Constitution" (as required by the states) CHANGED to something about ~eligible under the rules of the Democratic party~. These applications were available to the public for viewing in each state and unlike the Hawaiian birth certificate, they could not have been altered by conspirators in EVERY state... !”

    Answer: Try to do a little thinking before you spout birther GARBAGE. If you think a little, you will have to realize that Pelosi sent each of the 50 states (and the District of Columbia) EXACTLY what that state required to confirm eligibility. That is because---wait and think about it for a moment---every single one of the 50 states (and the district) put Obama’s name on the ballot. If she had not given sufficient information, at least one of them would NOT have put him on the ballot. But all of them did. It is loony for birthers to think that Pelosi did not provide the eligibility requirements of say, South Carolina and Texas, and yet both of those states put Obama on the ballot. So the nutty idea that she “changed” the eligibility letters and did not show that Obama was eligible, is as absurd as other birther muths.

    Re: ‘So, why did Pelosi have to alter these apps for the FIRST time in our nation's history if Obama was "eligible under the Constitution"?”

    Answer: As noted above, she provided each and every state and the District with exactly what that state’s requirement was under that state’s law. She obeyed every single one of the 50 state laws and did not disobey a single one of them. And it is loony to think that she did not provide what they required. What ever gave you that NUTTY idea?

    Re: “The argument over the zipcode and the SSN is not only invalid but its ridiculously dumb.”

    Answer: The SS NUMBERS were generated by the zip code entered, and a typo in entering the zip code generates the SS number from another state. That does not mean that the SS card was sent to an address at that state. It only means that t he SS number was generated from the zip code entered.

    The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

    Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers and multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

    http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

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    1. Re: “There has been several investigations into the actual person whose number is being used by BHO and there is a year of birth of 1890 assigned to that.”

      Answer: Both the Ludwig theory (his SS number has been published, and it is not the same as Obama’s) and the “Harrison J. Bounel” theory have been punctured. Harrison J. Bounel never had a SS number because he never even had a file in the Social Security Administration.

      Re: “Perhaps he took an Indonesian citizenship when living there as a child and never again obtained his US citizenship after returning to Hawaii to live with his grandmother. “

      Answer: A simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm that Obama never became an Indonesian citizen, and if that is not enough (it should be), it is IMPOSSIBLE for a US child to lose or relinquish US citizenship. So Obama was a NATURAL BORN US citizen at his birth in Hawaii, and remains one.

      Re: “He apparently applied to collage as a foreign-born student…”

      Answer: No he didn’t. That little piece of nutty dreaming comes from AN APRIL FOOL’S ARTICLE.

      Re: “and also travelled to Pakistan in the '80's when Americans were not allowed to go there.”

      Answer: THAT little piece of nutty crap comes from a birther LIE. There never was a time when Americans were not allowed to go to Pakistan, either by the US government or by Pakistan, and when Obama went there in 1981 Pakistan was relatively peaceful and US newspapers were running travel articles recommending visiting.

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