Thursday, September 18, 2014

[Video] Identity Of 'Obama Birth Certificate' Forger Revealed?

Obama researcher Don Fredrick reveals who he believes may be the Obama birth certificate forger...




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  1. Nice story but not proof.

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    1. Doesn't matter if he was born or a turkey s--t on a stump and the sun hatched him ,THE DAMAGE IS DONE!!!

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    2. Re "the damage is done."

      That is your opinion.

      In any case not liking a person is certainly not proof that she or he was born in a foreign country or that the birth certificate was forged.

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  2. lot of proof, problem is you liberal idiots don't want to know;; all cases have been thrown out by liberal judges appointed by clintonions;; google it fool. regulus 30 here looking to kick an ignorant liberals azz

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    1. No proof at all. Birthers are simply lying about Obama's birth certificate being forged the same way that they lied when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya (she actually said that he was BORN IN HAWAII repeatedly but birther sites refused to quote her and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born----to which she replied "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.) Well for the same motives as that lie birthers are claiming that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

      With the single exception of Reed Hayes, who has not proven his expertise in examining digital documents (he is a specialist in documents on paper, and he has not seen the paper copies) and who admits he has not seen the research on the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works, ONLY birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged. And they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

      And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

      Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

      Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

      John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

      Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

      Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

      And birthers have not explained this research at all:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

      In short Obama's birth certificate is not forged. Birthers just keep saying that it is

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    2. You're just a buffoon wrapped up in an idiot. And criminally-minded to boot. Just another Democrats who would have championed slavery in the 1850 and started a civil war that killed 650,00 Americans, or a DemoRat that loves the murder of 65 million American babies in their mothers' wombs, and millions of them outside the mothers' wombs. You are the Biblical embodiment of "lost and without God in the world".

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    3. He was born in Kenya Hawaii !!!

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    4. Notice that neither Anonymous posting above discusses a single fact. Not one.

      The facts are shown above but Anonymous 8:35 prefers to discuss American history---which in this case is irrelevant to Obama's place of birth. And Anonymous 9:10 insists (perhaps satirically) that there is a place called Kenya Hawaii. (I wonder why they cannot discuss the FACTS??)

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    5. The FACTS are that anybody who closely inspects that phony birth certificate can see that more than one type writer print in on that piece of paper. Secondly, the background paper wasn't in use until 2001. How do you spin that? I have a real Hawaii birth certificate that Obama's is supposed to look like. Mine was filled out by the Kapiolani hospital where I was born. No hospital in Hawaii has any record of Obama ever being born there? You should stop getting your talking points from Organizing for America, Media Matters, or the Huffington Post.. It makes you look stupid, or look like a propagandist.

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    6. Convenient that smrstrauss leaves out all mention of the font issues and color issues with the "certificate" and claims that nobody knows anything.

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    7. The paper is MODERN security paper---what gave you the idea that it wasn't supposed to be MODERN security paper?

      BOTH Obama's short form (Certification of Live Birth) and his long form (Certificate of Live Birth) are MODERN official copies on MODERN security paper of the Hawaii birth certificate. Both are legal documents accepted by the US State Department for issuing US passports.

      Re Fonts and colors. They are explained by the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/


      More importantly, the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor, a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

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    8. The life long friend and Governor of Hawaii,Neil Abercrombie could not produce the original Long Form Birth Certificate in Hawaii, although he said he would put the Birther issue to rest when he was in office....The simple fact is that Obama would have never let this go this far without the original being verified in a court of law...It is blatant the copies are all fraud....They did not make magic typewriters in the day that could produce computer fonts that contained kerning.

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    9. Re: "The life long friend and Governor of Hawaii,Neil Abercrombie could not produce the original Long Form Birth Certificate in Hawaii, although he said he would..."

      Answer: No,. He never said that he would produce the birth certificate---original or other. He never mentioned the birth certificate. He said he was looking for an additional document that he could release in addition to the birth certificate (which he CANNOT release under Hawaii law). Well, he never found that extra document.

      But he never said he was looking for the birth certificate because, duh, that is EASY to find. THREE officials in Hawaii have all stated in writing that they saw it in the files and four officials including the former Republican governor, a strong supporter of Sarah Palin, all stated that they had sent the official short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that every single fact on the copy that he White House put online is exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

      Re: "Fraud" and "kerning." It is neither a fraud nor "kerning." That is what birthers say over and over. What else would you expect them to say??? They are lying about fraud and kerning just the way they lied about what Abercrombie said and about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said (She never said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said he was born IN HAWAII. Birther sites simply refused to quote her real words and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born---I wonder why they did that ???)

      So, it is not a fraud it is not "kerning" (The claim is usually, "you see, the tail of the Y goes under the previous letter. But if you look very closely the tail of the Y DOES NOT GO UNDER THE PREVIOUS LETTER.)

      AND the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent the short form and long form BCs to Obama and all the facts on them, and the fact that Hawaii issued a BC to Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices in the "Health Bureau Statistics" sections of the Hawaii newspapers.


      Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi...

      (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      Here is the Index Data file:
      http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04...

      Moreover, birthers have not even shown that Obama's mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time). And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 (and she would have had to have traveled late in pregnancy since she was attending college for most of the year) because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birthers hope to convince a few GULLIBLE people to assume that she was one of the few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that Obama's birth certificate is forged AND the officials of BOTH parties are lying about it AND so is the Index Data AND so are the birth notices AND so is the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.

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  3. libtards/dumocraps ;; think about this one;;all we need to do is get the voter registration logs and come to your nest and pop goes the weasel.

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    1. IF there had been significant voter fraud in the 2012 election Mitt Romney and/or Paul Ryan and/or Karl Rove and/or the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it----and none of them ever did.

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    2. Think about the facts again and what's transpired since then. You can't be that clueless and stupid. You don't hear any of the Bushes saying one word against Obama's criminality or his Kenyan citizenship, or Benghazi or Fast & Furious or the Black Panthers, etc ad nauseum. Ask your mommy, maybe she'll have a clue.

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    3. Romney had evidence hand delivered to end Obominations reign 2012 with the truth about BENGHAZI and EXTORTION 17 TREASON and MURDER and did not use it ! He is either a RINO or his family was threatened ! Several thousand Veterans had these doc's downloaded on there hard drives two weeks before the second debate. So we asked Rep. Trey Gowdy why he has not assigned a special prosecutor? Answer they all go thru the same door at the end of the day. P.S. the informant within the Whitehouse has never been revealed. Thank GOD!

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    4. Okay, you think Mitt Romney is a RINO---and that explains why he did not claim that the election was rigged (rather than the far more simple an rational explanation that it was not rigged). But Mitt Romney was not alone. Paul Ryan did not claim it was rigged. Nor did Gingrich or Huckabee or Santorum of Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or the National Review. And every single member of Congress, all 535, including Rep. Michele Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul, voted to confirm Obama's election.

      You are welcome to your loony dream that the election was rigged, but if all of the Republican and Conservative leaders agree that it wasn't rigged, it will remain YOUR nutty dream alone.

      PS: There is NO "informant" in the White House. Birthers are just making that claim up the same way that they made up the story that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she actually said (and it is right on the tape recording) that he was born in HAWAII---birther sites simply cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she said "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time."

      People who will lie about what someone said in a taped telephone interview (and cut off the tape on their sites to hide the lie), are willing to lie about there being a White House "informant" as well.

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    5. Romney won every state that has voter ID....amazing how that happen...To say voter fraud did not exist is showing how ignorant you are.

      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2960108/posts

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    6. Sorry but you can't have more people vote in a district than live there or are registered there. And that happened in EVERY battleground state. I was a lifelong democrat until barry soretora aka obama. But even as a democrat I had common sense. That's why I left the party. It's moved so far to the left that it's lost all common sense.

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    7. THAT was a mathematical stupidity.

      A stupidity.

      Here is what happened. In one or two districts there were so many people running for office and so many long issues---which had to be written out in full---that instead of having one ballot, they had to issue two ballots: One for the major elections including the president, and the other for school board and other local elections and local issues.

      So everyone had the chance to cast two ballots.

      So them somebody STUPID went and counted the total number of ballots cast, both major and minor, and divided them by the number of people registered, and of course there was a percentage of MORE THAN 100% for the ballots cast divided by the registered voters.

      But that was for the TOTAL ballots cast both in the major and minor elections. The percentage for the total cast in the major election (Obama and senators and congressmen) divided by the registered electors amounts to LESS THAN 100%.

      That piece of stupidity about the way that the total ballots were cast did not affect the result of the election. It just mis-described the balloting.

      But, of course, if it had been any differently. If there ACTUALLY had been more ballots cast for Obama or for any candidate than there were people registered, Mitt Romney and/or Paul Ryan and/or Karl Rove and/or the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it----and none of them ever did.

      Re: "Romney won every state that has voter ID...."

      Answer: At the time only FOUR states had photo ID laws: Indiana, Kansas, Tennessee and Georgia---and those states would have voted for Romney with or without voter ID laws. They are all strongly Republican.

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  4. of course going to voter registration logs might be fruitless; since you bast66ards vote multiple times.

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    1. Once again, IF there had been significant voter fraud in the 2012 election Mitt Romney and/or Paul Ryan and/or Karl Rove and/or the Republican governors and Republican secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it----and none of them ever did.

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    2. Sorry but you can't have more people vote in a district than live there or are registered there. And that happened in EVERY battleground state. I was a lifelong democrat until barry soretora aka obama. But even as a democrat I had common sense. That's why I left the party. It's moved so far to the left that it's lost all common sense.

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    3. That did not happen. There were more ballots cast than eligible voters because there were two ballots issued, one for the presidential election and major candidates, another for local people and local issues. Then somebody stupid got the idea of dividing the total ballots cast (major and minor) by the eligible people in the district, and the result was over 100%. That was a STUPID thing to do.

      However, it has nothing to do with the election. If you simply divided the number of ballots cast for the major candidates (including the presidential election) by the total registered voters, the result was UNDER 100%.

      (See above.)

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  5. I don't care what version of Obama's birth certificate is presented. Article 2 of the Constitution specifies: A candidate for President must be a Natural Born Citizen when applying for the office of President. Obama's father was not a Citizen, IE Obama is not our legal President HE is ILLEGAL, no wonder he doesn't like the word ILLEGAL. How many members of our electorate have authorized this ILLEGAL person to be in our White House? in In 1874 Congress again specified A citizen running for President must have both parents Citizens at the time of that person's running for President. Why is Obama in the White House? TREASON Don Cordell for President

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    1. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE if birth and EVERY child born on US soil (and Hawaii is US soil, you know) is a Natural Born Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats and members of invading enemy armies.



      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      "Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)


      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/



      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

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    2. Reply.....Interesting stuff that you just wrote. However, Mr. Obama was not born in the USA. He was born in Kenya. His mother wanted him to be born in the USA and went the airport in Africa to travel to Honolulu but was denied passage due to her over-pregnant looking condition. It was a hot day so she went to the beach. While there...she began having labor pains, went home, and baby Barack was born that same evening.
      Four days later...mother and baby boarded an airplane for Honolulu. After arrival in Hawaii she some way somehow found an Hawaiian doctor to register his birth as if he was born in Hawaii. Remember, this was over 50 years ago and there have been cases where Japanese parents came to Hawaii for the same reason so that their offspring would seemingly be American ?Citizens!

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    3. How stupid to believe that anyone born on American soil can be President....You must think our founders were idiots....What is the difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen? Due to you make them all the same....Once you realize that the NBC was different due to he/she must have had citizen parents then you are lost in your own confusion....Obama was at best a citizen of the United States due to his mother was a NBC...But the fact that his father was never a US citizen leaves it open for him to be born of Saddam Hussein and still be eligible.....AfterBirthers have no common sense,

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    4. Natural born citizen means that both of your parents were born in America. Our founding fathers put that clause in the Constitution because they realized the danger of having someone that is president of the US having loyalties to another nation thereby destroying America. This is what we see happening right now. Barry's loyalties lie with muslims as evidenced by every decision he makes. Since 2009 he has overruled our military commanders and it's always in favor of islam. Now after the lesson I have given you if you still don't know our history, go to Supreme Court rulings and search for their ruling on natural born citizen. You will see that I do know our history!

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    5. Re: "How stupid to believe that anyone born on American soil can be President....You must think our founders were idiots....What is the difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen? "

      Answer: The difference between the category "citizen" and the category "Natural Born Citizen" is that "citizen" INCLUDES naturalized citizens, and "Natural Born Citizen" EXCLUDES Naturalized citizens. That is the only difference. EVERY child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders is a Natural Born US Citizen.


      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      "Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)


      More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

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    6. Continuing:

      The US Supreme Court HAS RULED on the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in the Wong Kim Ark case, which TEN appeals courts have all cited as the key ruling on the subject, and every single one of them said that the Wong Kim Ark case ruled that EVERY child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen (except for the children of foreign diplomats and members of invading enemy armies).

      Here are some of the rulings:

      Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”

      Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

      Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

      Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

      Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”

      Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”

      Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”

      And, on October 1 2012, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of the last of the rulings shown above, the Farrar case—–which had ruled that “children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.” By rejecting the appeal, the US Supreme Court allowed the ruling of the lower court to STAND.

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    7. Re: " However, Mr. Obama was not born in the USA. He was born in Kenya. His mother wanted him to be born in the USA and went the airport in Africa to travel to Honolulu but was denied passage due to her over-pregnant looking condition..."

      That ALL was made up by Berg. It's simply a lie. Obama's mother never went to Kenya, and the Kenyan government has confirmed that Obama was not born there. Moreover, only 60 US citizens total went to Kenya that year, and only 21 people total came from Kenya to the USA, and ALL but one of them by SHIP---and there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii, making the alleged trip by Obama's mother and Obama most unlikely (to say the least).


      Here is the complete Immigration and Nationalization Services (INS) report for the year that included August 1961:


      http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n4/mode/1up


      Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

      On page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air. They ALL went by ship.

      So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea (since no Americans came to the USA from Kenya by air).

      There were, as noted, no normally scheduled direct ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961---making the allegation that Obama’s mother and Obama made the alleged trip from Kenya to Hawaii extremely unlikely, to say the very least.

      Oh, and the officials in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home and the INS Inspector's note all show that Obama was born IN HAWAII.






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  6. Time to take all the bast..ds out.........

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  7. Anyone from anywhere can be elected US president. If they are put on the states ballots, nominated in convention, win the electoral vote, are passed on by Congress, and take the oath, they are in like Flynn. There's no ay to get them out but by impeachment. Obama wasn't challenged on his eligibility at any point by those who had the authority during the elction process. He was the PC candidate and people wanted to vote for him knowing nothing about him or his politics.

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    1. Re: "Anyone from anywhere can be elected US president. If they are put on the states ballots, nominated in convention, win the electoral vote, are passed on by Congress, and take the oath, they are in like Flynn. "

      If it is so easy, why not try it?

      BTW, Obama was not challenged on eligibility because he was obviously ELIGIBLE.

      Obama's birth in Hawaii is as certain as anything in the world is certain (There isn't even a sign that his mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time), and EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen.


      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      "Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

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    2. Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5
      ... No person except a "natural born citizen", or a "Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution", shall be eligible to the Office of President

      A Citizen is no longer eligible to be President...they are all dead that were alive during the time the Constitution was adopted

      Citizens are not eligible....What is a citizen?
      14th Amendment: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States,

      Those that are only born on soil or naturalized are citizens.....Therefore the difference between the citizen and the natural born citizen is that the NBC has citizens parents...That should be enough to remove the confusion, but I can not remove the brainwashing

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    3. Under the Grandfather Clause the person must have been a Citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution. Under the Natural Born Citizen (NBC) Clause the person must have been born in the USA to parents who were born Citizens of the United States when the child was born. Under the NBC clause it does not matter if the parents were foreign born but only that they both be U.S. Citizens (either born or naturalized) when the child is born in the USA.

      http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/02/list-of-us-presidents-eligibility-under.html

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    4. Re: "Therefore the difference between the citizen and the natural born citizen is that the NBC has citizens parents.."

      Answer: NO. The Heritage Foundation book on the US Constitution is right, and you are wrong.



      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      See further reading and some of the ten appeals court rulings (all of which birthers lost) above.

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  8. Think about this liberals, take as much time as you need because your minds are so tiny and can't fathom much information at one time. Have you ever considered why Barrack Hussein has all his supposed records i.e. college transcripts sealed and pays millions to keep them sealed? Only someone with something to hide does this. Think long and think hard but at least think about it.

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    1. Re: "Have you ever considered why Barrack Hussein has all his supposed records i.e. college transcripts sealed and pays millions to keep them sealed? "

      Answer: Have you ever heard the little three-letter word LIE?

      The answer is that it is a LIE that Obama had his college records or anything "sealed."

      Obama released his short form and long form birth certificates (in fact, he was the first presidential candidate in the US to publish his birth certificate), and he did NOT seal his college records or any records at all. Birthers are lying when they say that he did.

      Obama's college records, high school records, passport records, etc. etc. etc. etc. are all covered under the NORMAL state and federal privacy laws. That means that unless Obama decides to release those records, they remain private---like your school records and my school records and those of Mitt Romney and John McCain. So, since McCain and Romney and previous presidents did not release their school records, college records, passport records, etc. etc. etc.---Obama chose not to do so either.

      Think long and hard about falling for the LIE that Obama "sealed" his records.

      BTW, that was just one of MANY birther lies. Another standard one is the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---when the transcript of that tape recorded telephone call shows that she actually said several times that Obama was born IN HAWAII. (Birther sites simply refused to quote her words and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born---to which she replied: "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time"---I wonder why birther sites cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she said that????

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    2. Liberals love to play word games, you are right Obama's records aren't sealed. But according to the official Federal Election Commission report Obama has spent over 5 million dollars keeping all his personal and professional records hidden. These are records that other elected officials have made available to the public, including G.W. Bush.

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    3. You say it's a lie that he spent millions to keep his records sealed? LMAO!!! Then why can't anyone find them? Why would the media lie to us? You smrstrauss are one of the most uninformed idiot I've ever come across!

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    4. Re: "according to the official Federal Election Commission report Obama has spent over 5 million dollars keeping all his personal and professional records hidden."

      Answer: That was the total cost of legal services during the election campaign, and law firms do a lot of other things than defend lawsuits for records, and in fact there were NO lawsuits for records (only to keep Obama off of the ballot), so Obama did not spend any money at all---not one cent----on hiding anything.

      Re: "Then why can't anyone find them? "

      Answer: For the same reason that you cannot find gthe records of Mitt Romney or John McCain or for that matter Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. The reason, duh, is that those records were never released.

      Obama did not release his school or college records (or passport records or parents' marriage licenses) because Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents and presidential candidates did not release those records either.

      And the reason that no one can find them is that the schools, colleges and other organizations involved are covered under normal state and federal PRIVACY laws and so they cannot disclose them.

      You have heard of privacy laws, or have you??

      Re "those records have been made available to the public including G. W. Bush...'

      Answer: Bush is the only exception. His college record (but not his graduate school record much less his high school record, passport record, parents' marriage license, etc.) was leaked by Yale. But Bush did not release it, and other presidents and presidential candidates have never shown their school or college or graduate school records (or passport records, etc.). So why should Obama?

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  9. At this point a forged Birth Certificate is supercilious as the entire World is aware of the fact he is an 'Illegal Immigrant' in the USA illegally! One very simple indicator, He is still using a stolen SSN !!

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    1. The crap about Obama using a stolen SS number has been crushed long ago. The CT SS number was the result of a data entry error, and birthers claims about Obama using first "Daniel Ludwig's" SS number and then "Harrison J. Bounel's" SS number were both punctured. Ludwig's number has been published, and it is not the same as Obama's number. And Orly brought the SS Administration to court demanding the files on "Harrison J. Bounel"---and the SS Admin said that there IS NO "Harrison J. Bounel"---there is no such file in the SS Administration files.

      So the "using a stolen SSN" myth is simply a loony dream.

      Obama really was born in Hawaii, and it is nutty to think that there is even a rational chance that he was born anywhere else.


      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country ALL of the following would have had to have happened:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

      (3) Obama's relatives would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

      (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

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  10. Why anyone would support anyone that has lies coming out of his mouth every time he opens it:for example,"you can keep your own insurance and your premiums will go down"I have to give Obama credit for being so good at not telling the truth that he made people believe that his mother died in 1993 from cancer and she is very much alive and travels with him and family (in disguise of course) on vacation and btw her name is Elizabeth Anna Duke.She was on the lam for many years but Obama made sure he got her charges dropped in 2009.She was the woman that help bomb the State Capital back in the 70's .There is so much more,but I could not fit it on thislittle space.

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    1. You are giving the far right wing of the Conservative movement a bad name for rationality by your nutty views on Obama's mother, who died of cancer in 1995.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

      Obama's mistake about "you can keep your own insurance" is certainly not proof that his birth certificate is forged or that he was born in a foreign country.

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  11. dear smrstrauss...how wonderful to read you. always a collection of tripe and bashing anyone in opposition to your ideology. Kenya is a non starter ( except for the missing airline arrivals lists),How about a simple social security number? E verify, I read you months ago with your " dissertation" on how he got an SS# from the New England states, failing to mention his relative Worked in the Haiwian SS offices Coincidental of course. How about the track record of destroying any political opponent prior to elections and then " suddenly" homosexual lovers end up murdered on the eve of his campaign run?BTW smr...how come the SS# is wrong and not corrected?

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    1. Kenya is indeed a non-starter and it is STUPID to think that Obama could have been born there-----especially when (1) the Kenyan government said he was NOT born there; (2) the Hawaii government, officials of BOTH parties, have repeatedly confirmed Obama's birth certificate and all the facts on it---and so has the microfilmed birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that only the DOH could send to those newspapers; (3) the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for the year Obama was born shows that only 21 people TOTAL came to the USA from Kenya that year; (4)There is no evidence that Obama's mother even had a passport; (5) EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy at that time due to the risk of stillbirth.

      NONE of Obama's relatives EVER worked in a SS office.

      Re "destroying political opponents." That is what politicians do.

      Re "homosexual". Those are BIRTHER allegations without a shred of evidence behind them.

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  12. It does not take a forensic expert to see 0bama's birth certificate is a forgery. Any one familiar with computers can see part of it was written on a computer; and everything put together with PhotoShop. The computers we had back in 1961 were not used to print birth certificates. They were huge dinosaurs used by banks and the government. The manual typewriters in those days did not do fancy type manipulation like you see on 0bama's birth certificate, and on all common letters printed by today's computers, thanks to Bill Gates and Microsoft Word.

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    1. Birthers say "see it is a forgery" and "it does not take an expert to see it is a forgery."

      Both are their creations.

      The reason that Mitt Romney and John McCain and Hillary and for that matter Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and Ron Paul do not say that Obama's birth certificate is forged or "you can see it is forged" is because it is NOT forged and they cannot see it---and no one can see it unless they believe the birther lies about "layers"---which are normal when complex documents are scanned into pdf and opened with Adobe Illustrator.

      Other alleged "anomalies," such as the white spaces around characters, are explained by the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works when it scans a complex document, compresses it, puts it into pdf-----and then the document is opened in Adobe Illustrator.

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

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  13. I do think the cert is probably fake, but I would imagine that the argument would be made that it is immaterial because his mother was a US citizen who was overseas at the time. I'm surprised never to see that approach to the topic!

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    1. The cert is not fake at all. Birthers just keep saying it over and over and over, and they never explain this:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

      Moreover, the real issue is where Obama was born because EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats. And it is loony to think that there is even a rational chance that Obama was born in a foreign country.

      For Obama to have been born in a foreign country ALL of the following would have had to have happened:

      (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

      (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

      (3) Obama's relatives would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

      (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

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    2. What do you do? Get paid to answer blogs like these to beat back the truth sayers? The facts stand and no amount traitorous truth twisters like yourself will change it. Some day you will be in your last days and look back on your life and feel nothing but shame for the lies you are telling now.

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    3. Notice that the Anonymous who posted at 9:26 am has not replied to a single fact. Not one. Nor has Anonymous at 9:26 mentioned any other facts. (I wonder why not??)

      The FACTS are shown above. And, in particular:

      There isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at that time. Moreover, EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths.

      Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying.

      BTW, I'm not paid. But if I were paid, and you were paid, and Anonymous at 9:26 were paid, THAT still would not change the facts.

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  14. They have been fighting the Obama citizenship thing since before the 2008 election and the Obama propaganda machine along with a corrupt judiciary have stalled these efforts every time. I believe its all true and that fact that truth can be suppressed for so long means there is a large and powerful group behind the election and agenda of Obama. It doesn't help that a significant portion of the electorate has gone completely stupid and are being used as ass wipe for the Democrats. Keep this in mind, his first month in office he issued an executive order to seal ALL his records. Nobody but nobody does this unless they have something to hide. End of discussion.

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  15. Gee smrstrauss, went underground as anonymous did you? You style of writing betrays you. Births 1959 thru 1963 were NOT recorded by DOH as the state was just becoming a state. An announcement in the paper was CONSIDERED legal birth information at that time That is why barry does not have a REAL certificate; check YOUR facts SMR- many NON us citizens were CREATED by the lax standards of the beginning Haiwaian state. In Chicago gay community barry IS STILL widely known as is his buddy Rahm. Bath house buddies. The gay community has been silenced by the murders. Check Sinclair and his book regarding cocaine use and barry's enjoyment of older white males. Sinclair DID pass the polygraph!

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    1. Re: "Births 1959 thru 1963 were NOT recorded by DOH as the state was just becoming a state."

      Answer: That is false.

      Obama has a REAL birth certificate. A Certification of Live Birth is just a fancy name for a birth certificate, as is a Certificate of Live Birth (and that is what Mitt Romney showed).

      A birth announcement in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the papers could only be placed by the Health Bureau---as the DOH was called in those days, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.

      Re "in Chicago gay community.."

      Birthers often lie. This is another example of that practice.

      Sinclair is a liar.

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    2. Sinclair actually passed the polygraph, and he won his lawsuit and has sold his book detailing numerous HOMOSEXUAL encounters with barry. You call him a liar, where is YOUR proof smr???cat got your tounge? DOH DOES NOT enter birth announcements, early on anyone could " announce" the birth of the child WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION OF LOCATION OF BIRTH. Therefore fraud or better yet foreign births were " officially recorded as if it were a USA soil birth. MANY non USA births were " given" out to the socialistic/commie politicians who were as corrupt then as now. BTW How come the GOV of barry's home state SUDDENLY changed his mind about the non existent birth certif????could not the Governor NOT find it...oh yes...barry has a right to privacy and we shouldn't display his birth certify to the world so his feeling won't be hurt...PLEASE. Dear smr, you will have a meeting on the last breath, lie as you wish now, but the accounting office is...ETERNAL:-)

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    3. Re: "Sinclair actually passed the polygraph..."

      So he SAID.

      Re: "DOH DOES NOT enter birth announcements..."

      Answer: Actually, it DID. The birth announcements in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers came only from the Health Bureau---which was what the DOH of Hawaii was called at the time.

      Re: "anyone could announce."

      Answer: NO, they could not. ONLY the DOH could announce in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the papers---which was where Obama's birth certificate appeared

      Re: "foreign births were " officially recorded as if it were a USA soil birth."

      Answer: No one has ever given a single example of that happening from the time that Hawaii became a US state.

      Re: "How come the GOV of barry's home state SUDDENLY changed his mind about the non existent birth certif????could not the Governor NOT find it..."

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      Answer: That was a LIE by birther sites. They said that Abercrombie said he was looking for the birth certificate, but he never said that at all. He said he was looking for something that he could release---but legally he could not release the birth certificate, and he knew it---so he was looking for something in addition to the birth certificate, and he could not find it. (Well, the birth certificate is sufficient.)

      In any case THREE officials, two Republican one Democrat, all said that they had seen the original of the birth certificate in the files. FOUR officials, including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, have all stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that every single fact on the published copy is the same as on what they sent to him. The widow of the delivery doctor recognized his signature on Obama's long form.

      And a teacher who was working in Hawaii at the time recalls writing home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named STANLEY from the head of obstetrics at Kapiolani Hospital.

      And there is the INS inspector's note that says: "They have one child, born Honolulu 8/4/1961." (And BTW, INS inspectors do not write such notes without seeing proof of the child and proof of the place of birth.)

      http://www.birtherreport.com/2011/04/foia-release-reveals-obamas-father-was.html

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    5. Continuing:


      Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/


      Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

      http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

      Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:

      http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm

      Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

      (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      Here is the Index Data file:

      http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

      And, once again, there isn't a particle of evidence that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time). Moreover, it would have been EXTREMELY unlikely for a woman in the last few months of pregnancy to travel abroad at the time due to the risk of stillbirths (and even more unlikely for her to travel alone, and WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii).

      Re: "Barry has a right to privacy and we shouldn't display his birth certify to the world so his feeling won't be hurt.."

      Answer: Obama has ALREADY shown his birth certificate to the world, both the short form and the long form, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed all the facts on the published copy. So, his feelings will not be hurt. In fact, he was the first US presidential candidate to publish his birth certificate,

      As for the notion that Hawaii must show the birth certificate in addition to Obama doing so, when they have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and long form to him and all the facts on it, and done so in filings to the courts and done so in correspondence with the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona, who accepted the statement of Hawaii and not the claims of birthers, that is :(1) unnecessary and (2) still illegal under Hawaii law, where they are allowed to send birth certificates to specific parties who are listed but not show them to anyone else.

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  16. The forger is the loony toon sheriff in Arizona.
    Any BC that shows any thing other than Hawaii is the forgery.

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    1. WORSE that merely loony.

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/09/arpaio-had-no-evidence-former-deputy-chief-says/

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