Wednesday, November 20, 2013

Obama Birth Certificate Forged: So Says Another Graphics Expert

This man who had a Top Secret clearance in the US Air Force and was assigned to the NSA for two years before going into business for himself was shamefully blocked by Judge England in Federal Court in Sacramento from testifying on the record.


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49 comments:

  1. August 4 1961 the Country of Kenya Africa did not exist until 1965

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    1. That is true. But the place of Kenya DID exist. And it was known as Kenya, short for "The Kenya Colony."

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    2. Kenya was under England's protection as a colony of Kenya and subject to England's laws.

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    3. Re: "Under England's protection." Yes it was, so what? Are you claiming that because Obama's father came from the colony of Kenya Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen?

      If so, it is wrong. EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born Citizen regardless of the citizenship of the father, or for that matter, of the father AND the mother, at the time of the birth.


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

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    4. As a typist since 1955 what this gentleman is saying is absolutely correct about the old typewriters - letters can be different.

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    5. I don't believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States. There are too much circumstantial evidence that he wasn't, and too much tampering with government files to hide his background which would indicate that Obama is being dishonest.

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    6. To smrsstrauss:

      The birth certificate shown bears zero signatures and does not compare with the detailed, signature-bearing certificate that the Administration presented. THAT certificate has inconsistencies that professional document experts have found that calls the legitimacy of the certificate into question. The inability of the Hawaiian government (after promising to come up with the long form certificate) to produce same calls Obama's birth records into question. His stolen social security number calls Obama legitimacy into question. It is now widely believed that his college records are sealed because Obama registered as a foreign citizen. And finally, Lord Monckton's probability mathematics corporation shows the birth certificate to be overwhelmingly counterfeit. As to where Obama was born? Anybody's guess is as good as anybody else's.

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    7. Obama himself hand wrote and signed at Occidental College a declaration that he was born in Afica. That was downloaded by 1,000's of people and used by Jerome Corsi to help prove he was born in Kenya, Africa and not Hawaii. There would be no doctor signed long form birth certificate from Kenya if he was not born there. He went from Africa to the Phillipines where he went to grade school and did not get to Hawaii until he was a youth. The birth certificate he held up in front of national TV declaring it as his was a forged document as attested to by all qualified reviewers of that document...which many of us have copies of and is clearly a fraud as is Obama.

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    8. Barry Soreto had his name legally changed to Barack Obama in Canada before re-entering the USA. Now why would he do that in Canada rather than in his supposedly native country?

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    9. Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,



      § 212. Of the citizens and natives.



      “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

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    10. And He does have a legal birth certificate. Just ask Britain. That is where all Kenyan colony birth certificates are.

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    11. @smrstrauss

      The passage you quoted from The Heritage Guide to the the Constitution" was written by James C. Ho, not Edwin Meese. It is also inaccurate. (1) He ignores Vattelc's definition of a NBC and (2) from what Ho says just afterwards about persons born of two citizens abroad, he appears to be comparing such a person to one born of two citizens in the U.S. Thus, he either doesn't concern himself with the circumstance of one born to a non-citizen father, ignores Vattel, or ignores the distinction in the Constitution between "citizen" and "natural born citizen." In all three cases, inexplicably.

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    12. Re: "The birth certificate shown bears zero signatures and does not compare with the detailed, signature-bearing certificate that the Administration presented. "

      Obama showed both his short form and long form BC. The short form does not have signatures, and it isn't supposed to (it's a short form, you know). The long form shows all the required signatures.

      Re: Ho. Yes, so? How is a conservative Republican, a very conservative Republican, a member of the conservative Federalist Society, and Meese (the editor) and the Heritage Society (the publisher) are both conservative and stand by what they wrote.

      Vattel's is not mentioned in the Federalist Papers at all, and there are no articles or letters from the members of the Constitutional Convention who said "we are using Vattel's definition" or "Let us require two citizen parents." In fact, there is not a single article or letter by any of the members of the Constitutional Convention that ever used the term Natural Born Citizen differently from the definition of Natural Born Subject in the common law.

      And John Jay, who first used the term in his letter to George Washington, was an expert in, wait for it, THE COMMON LAW. So, if he had intended to use the term Natural Born Citizen differently from the way Natural Born was used in the common law, HE WOULD HAVE SAID SO, and he didn't.

      The Hertitage Foundation definition is by the way no means alone.

      A few examples:


      “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).


      "Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

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    14. More reading on this subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

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    15. More than a YEAR has passed since this article was posted, and Obama is still the president of the United States-----and there have not even been calls to investigate his birth certificate or his place of birth (or whether two citizen parents are required to be eligible to be president) in the US Congress or by conservative journalists. That is because the article is completely false. In fact, Obama really was born in Hawaii, and his birth certificate is not forged, and every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

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  2. Try 1920. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenya

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  3. Our once great county and society has hit the lowest of the lows. Thanks to the most corrupt, the democrats and the press. Nothing is sacred anymore, there is no honor anymore, there is no respect for our laws and our constitution, our culture and our heritage. The democrats will go to any means to gain and hold on to power over the people including instilling the biggest con-artist in our history into the presidency! And they don't care if they distroy the lives of millions of people, especially our young, in the process. But in the end they will indeed get there well deserved due!!!

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  4. Actually, the claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged (by birther "experts" who have never shown that they are real experts and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial) has been crushed by the Xerox WorkCentre research (which birther sites never discuss-----I wonder why not????):

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/





    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/776412.shtml#.Uotw1ieakoF

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    1. You don't have to be an expert to simply compare the typed letters to see that at least three different type writers were used to assemble that form. Also, the background paper used on that fake birth certificate wasn't put into use until 2001. How do you explain that? I have a real Hawaii birth certificate. Obama's is a phony.

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    2. The explanation to all of that is contained in the Xerox WorkCentre research:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

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    3. Re: "Also, the background paper used on that fake birth certificate wasn't put into use until 2001. How do you explain that? "

      Simple, it is the very latest security paper. The long form birth certificate was the original photocopied onto modern security paper with the modern seal attached and the current stamp and current signature of the officials in Hawaii.

      Re multiple fonts. The form was printed and the data on it was typed on it, and occasionally a letter was typed too softly for the scan to pick up and correctly transfer into pdf.

      Other anomalies are explained by the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works in the process of scanning a complex document (and a document on security paper is complex) that had some faint typing and some signatures:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

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  5. HI has never said that what they have on file is identical in every way to what Obama released. No one outside of HI registrar has seen what HI has if anything.

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    1. Hawaii has repeatedly stated in writing and in court papers that the FACTS on Obama's birth certificate are identical to those on the one that they sent to him. And that is in addition to the Index Data file that shows that Obama had a birth certificate issued in 1961 and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers that were from the Department of Health of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH of Hawaii could send notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.) And that is in addition to the Hawaii teacher whose father's name was Stanley (it really was, I've checked) and who said that she was told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley and that she wrote up that little tidbit and sent the letter to her father. (Are you claiming that Obama was able to find a teacher in Hawaii who had a father named Stanley and got her to lie about hearing about the birth of a child to a woman named Stanley?)

      And, guess what, we do not even know that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961-----and very very few 18-year-olds did. And even fewer women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the high risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that GULLIBLE people will assume that Obama's mother was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and also one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy---and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties lying about it (and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home).

      GULLIBLE.

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    2. Here, by the way, are links to some (by no means all) of the confirmation documents from the officials in Hawaii. Notice that several of them say that the facts "MATCH."


      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

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  6. The birth certificate issue is a smoke screen. THE REAL ISSUE IS WHY ARE HIS RECORDS SEALED. EVERY REPUBLICAN AND NEWS REPORTER SHOULD MAKE THIS THE MAIN ISSUE. NO ONE CAN BE IN THE MILITARY WITH THEIR RECORDS SEALED. THEREFORE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SEAL HIS RECORDS.

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    1. Re: " THE REAL ISSUE IS WHY ARE HIS RECORDS SEALED. '

      Answer: His records are NOT "sealed." Only birther sites have said that they are. They are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws. And that is all.

      BTW, Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show their school records, college records, passport records, etc, etc---that birthers have asked for from Obama. Obama does not have to show them, and neither did Romney nor McCain.

      What gave you the crazy idea that Obama's records were "sealed?"

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  7. Hospital birth records have a foot print on them. This is serious enough that the Supreme Court should issue an order that a copy of the foot prfint on the Hawiian birth certificate be matched with the President's. You can't alter a footprint,.

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    1. Re: "Hospital birth records have a foot print on them."

      Answer: The Hospital "records" you refer to are not official birth certificates, and BTW MItt Romney did not show his hospital records either. In fact, he showed only an image of a black-and-white photocopy of his short form birth certificate. The idea that the president of the USA should have to have his foot printed, when there is not even evidence that his mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did) and th4 officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated repeatedly that they sent the Hawaii short form and long form birth certificates to Obama-----is truly loony.

      The confirmations are in addition to the Index Data file that shows that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate issued in 1961 and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers that were from the Department of Health of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH of Hawaii could send notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

      And that is in addition to the Hawaii teacher whose father's name was Stanley (it really was, I've checked) and who said that she was told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley and that she wrote up that little tidbit and sent the letter to her father. (Are you claiming that Obama was able to find a teacher in Hawaii who had a father named Stanley and got her to lie about hearing about the birth of a child to a woman named Stanley?)


      In 1961 extremely few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy because of the high risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that GULLIBLE people will assume that Obama's mother was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and also one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy---and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties lying about it (and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home).


      Here, by the way, are links to some (by no means all) of the confirmation documents from the officials in Hawaii. Notice that several of them say that the facts "MATCH."


      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-birth-certificate/

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  8. https://ia600602.us.archive.org/21/items/ObamaSupportingIslamicTerrorRegimeOfOdingaInKenya/BarackObama-DictatorRailaOdingaAffidavit-bishop.pdf

    This is the "Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae that Obama was born in Kenya (signed in October 2008) October 27, 2008 one month before Obama elected."

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    1. Re "afffidavit" The "affidavit" that you refer to is McRae's CLAIM that he heard Obama's Kenyan grandmother SAY that Obama was born in Kenya on a long-distance telephone call. That is all, and guess what, people do lie even in affidavits.

      In fact, Obama's Kenyan grandmother did NOT say that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in HAWAII, as the transcript shows:

      Quotations begin:


      MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

      [Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only]

      OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

      MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

      OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

      MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)

      [At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman’s voice.]

      OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

      Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.

      Ogombe then repeats that she was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.

      End quotations.

      So, as you can see, McRae lied in his "affidavit."

      The government of Kenya said that it investigated, and that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. Oh, and the US Immigration and Naturalization Service report for 1961 shows that a grand total of 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961---and that all but one of them came by SHIP, and there were no regularly scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961. (And we do not even have evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961.)

      Oh, and birther sites have not shown you this, have they:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/

      The above is only a small additional confirmation to (1) the short and long form BCs themselves; (2) the repeated confirmations by the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the papers); (5) the Hawaii schoolteacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.

      Yes, people do lie, even in "affidavits"

      Ron McCrae does not believe in "racial mixing"---perhaps that accounts for his lie.

      http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/8/26/44141/9356

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  9. it doesn't matter where he was born - the issue is that he is a fraud and his bc is a forgery - he has lied and lied and lied to the American people and both parties are letting him get away with it just because he is half black - they are willing to let the country be destroyed just because he is half black...

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    1. His bc is not a forgery. Birther "experts" simply claimed that it is, and they haven't even tried to answer this:

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-shows-obama-birth-certificate-artifacts-caused-by-xerox-machine-no-joy-in-birtherville/

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  10. 0bama was born in Kenya, it's laughably obvious. Look how quick smrstrauss jumped on this story. There are many attack monkeys looking out to protect 0bama from his own lies. The airline wouldn't let mom fly back from Kenya precisely because she WAS too pregnant. Being under 19 she could not have been resident in the U.S. for 5 years after her 14th birthday. If there were a BC we would have seen the paper copy. A COLB, forged or not, is NOT a BC. And in any event were there a paper copy we would see it. Stating that Kenyan birth claims were "crushed" in and of itself shows us these creeps are entirely childish. All that is crushed is whatever cred these clowns ever had. Almost certainly Xerox has been compromised by 0bamatrons. Heck if the Supreme court could be, why not a business that is vulnerable to whatever crooked rulings a crooked gov't might come up with?

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    1. The story about "the airline would not let mom fly back" was made up by BIRTHER SITES.

      A COLB, certification of live birth, is a fancy name for a birth certificate. It is the official birth certificate of Hawaii used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. (And in addition, there is the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 [and only the DOH could send notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.].)

      And, by the way, the birther myth is not believed by the National Review or Ann Coulter (who calls birthers "crazy") or Glenn Beck or Huckabee or Santorum or Gingrich or Michelle Bachmann, who voted to confirm Obama's election twice.

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    2. The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

      Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

      Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

      And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

      “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

      “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

      http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …

      Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

      Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

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  11. Note that many bureaucrats and hospital officials in Hawaii were replaced shortly after 0bama won the Dem nomination. He knew he had to dummy it up. An army of lawyers went after anyone who knew 0bama arrived in Hawaii already breathing on his own. smrstrout can quote all the crooked officials and compromised corporations he wants. We don't see the paper BC because there isn't one. COLB only proves a live baby exists. That there are so many one-note creeps with prepared statements, pre-written rants, and compromised "proofs", ironically proves 0bama was born in Kenya. It's the old "protest too much" thang, fools. Thanks for playing, though, smrstrained

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    1. Mitt Romney did not show the paper BC. Obama showed both the image of his short form AND long form BC AND the paper copies of both of them to the press. There is an excellent image of the short form BC, showing both the front and the back, on the FactCheck site, and one reporter stated that she had felt the seal on the long form BC.

      In addition to the BC of Hawaii, there is the repeated confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births in Hawaii), and there is even the teacher who wrote home, to he father, named Stanley, after being told of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.

      The "born in Kenya" story is as nutty as a fruitcake. The Kenyan government has said that it investigated and that Obama was not born there. The US Immigration and Naturalization Service said that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Birther sites lied when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped telephone call that Obama was born IN HAWAII. Birther sites simply did not quote her, and cut off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked "where was he born????" (I wonder why they did that????0

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    2. Oh, I see I forgot to answer this nutty statement: "Note that many bureaucrats and hospital officials in Hawaii were replaced shortly after 0bama won the Dem nomination. "

      Answer: You made it up. It is not true.

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  12. Folks:
    The hospital named on the forged birth certificate didn't have that name until 1974! There were two hospitals that merged to create that name, but not until 1974... Plus, NO black person was called "African" back then on birth certs- they were "negro". This, plus ALL the type problems, the "tell" in the signature of the Registrar (there's a happy face in it!), indeed point to a major forgery! This doesn't even address the fact that his purported social security number was from a European immigrant who lived in Connecticut and died in Hawaii in the '70s. Obama NEVER lived in Connecticut... HE IS A FRAUD!

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    1. Re: "The hospital named on the forged birth certificate didn't have that name until 1974!"

      That also was made up by birther sites. The name of the hospital on Obama's BC and on the BCs of the Nordyke Twins one day after Obama was born (shown on WND's site) was exactly the same: Kapaiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital.

      The "African" is explained by the very simple fact that you were allowed to write down any word that you wanted to in Hawaii to describe your race. No one stood over you and described you, and there was no checklist of races. And what was the word that African exchange students used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: The word was "African."

      Te The CT SS number. Explained by something so simple you should have grasped it without my having to tell you. It is that the SS clerks made mistakes, lots of mistakes, and when they entered the zip code wrong, even by transposing letters or hitting the wrong one, it generated a SS number from a place other than where the applicant was applying from.

      Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have

      http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

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  13. According to natural law, which our founding fathers were familiar with, to be a natural born citizen, both parents had to be citizens. This was to prevent divided loyalties.

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    1. Dream on. Not a single member of the 356 electoral votes that Obama won in 2008 or the 332 electoral votes that Obama won in 2012 switched their votes to vote against Obama because not a single one of them in the roughly 680 total for both elections believes your nutty theory that both parents have to be citizens. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, and every child born on US soil is a Natural Born US Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders.


      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

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    2. More reading on the subject:

      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/vattel-and-natural-born-citizen/


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

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  14. If Congress is going to do anything about all this, they better get moving. Obama's new E.O. will cost us billions in paying for attempts to decrease carbon dioxide creation (stopping us from breathing is one way). Non-Gorebots know that there is very little likelihood that what we do can decrease carbon dioxide, and even if that were so, it would have negligible effect on "global warming" or even "climate change." Climate change, according to honest scientists, are driven by activity on the sun more than anything else. Obama is driven to waste more billions not to control climate, but to gain more control over everyone's lives. Since part of that control is to wreck the U.S. economy, wasting more billions (that can be funneled to his supporters, called cronyism) will help accelerate our doom. Congress, DO SOMETHING, FOR A CHANGE.

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    1. Congress will not do anything about it regardless of what you say about climate change. The reason is that Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born Citizen (since all US citizens born on US soil are Natural Born Citizens and only naturalized citizens are not Natural Born Citizens), and Obama's birth certificate is not forged---only birther "experts" claim that it is, and that is just as much a lie as the birther sites saying that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya---when the tape recording shows that she said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii, and birther sites simply did not quote her.

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  15. A lot of back and forth here. Nary a word as to what the U.S. Constitution states. You all leave the impression that all the statements above will trump the U.S. Constitution. The forefathers knew full well how a child becomes a child in a society. It requires the interaction between an egg in a female being fertilize by a sperm from a male. Thus came the word "PARENTS" in the Constitution. and the requirement (statement) that at the time of birth the "PARENTS", meaning the female (egg carrier/ producer), and the male (sperm carrier/ producer/ injector) must be U.S. Citizens (whether natural born or nationalize). There is no law that has been written in the pass or in the present books that has ever changed this requirement. In order for that to be changed the wording of the ruling, law must include verbiage that it is superseding, amending, repealing such requirement in the U.S. Constitution. That being said Obama is not eligible because he was sperm-ed "So he claims in the book - Dreams of my Father" (and if he was sperm-ed by Frank Davis, than he has falsified his records) by a non U.S. male person and a under aged female who had not reached the five year rule beyond the age of 14 years. The U.S. Constitution means what it states in plain English, just read it and digest the words as they are written (use a dictionary if you must).
    And to the person whom states that Obozo's records are not sealed needs to try and obtain from the Illinois Bar Association full copies of Obozo's law records and why he was disbarred from ever practicing law again. And while they are at it, try to get a copy of Michelle's records.
    While you all are out digging for records, trying finding out why he had his Grandmother done away with so quickly after the 2008 election.

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    1. Re: ". Thus came the word "PARENTS" in the Constitution."

      But the word "parents" is NOT in the Constitution.

      Re: "Nary a word as to what the U.S. Constitution states. "

      It says: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

      As you can see there is no mention of parents (and you can search for the word in the entire Constitution and not find it). So, birthers made up the nutty legal theory that "Natural Born Citizen" means two citizen parents. As "proof" they point to a section in a book by Vattel, which unfortunately for them, was not translated as "Natural Born Citizen" until ten years, repeat TEN years, after the Constitution was written. And Vattel is not mentioned in the Federalist Papers in any case.

      Re: "The U.S. Constitution means what it states in plain English..."

      Precisely, AND IT DOES NOT MENTION PARENTS. Indeed, IF the writers of the US Constitution had meant to exclude the US-born children of foreign parents, IT WOULD HAVE SAID SO---and it doesn't.

      Moreover, John Jay, who first used the term "Natural Born Citizen" in his letter to George Washington, was an expert in THE COMMON LAW. So, duh, if he had intended to use the term Natural Born Citizen in any way other than in the common law, again, HE WOULD HAVE SAID SO---and he didn't.

      Still further, we have actual examples from legal scholars who knew the writers of the U Constitution and wrote about the Natural Born Citizen clause, and both of them used the term Natural Born Citizen exactly the way that it was used IN THE COMMON LAW. And, not only does "Parents" not appear in the US Constitution, but no articles or letters by the members of the Constitutional Convention that EVER said that two citizen parents were required or used the term Natural Born Citizen differently than in the common law.

      Obama's grandmother died of cancer at the age of 86.

      Obama's records are not "sealed." They are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws.

      Obama and Michelle suspended up his law license voluntarily so that they do not have to pay annual fees and perform Pro Bono work.

      Re "Davis"---that is just as likely as Mitt Romney's real father being Harpo Marx (haven't you noticed the resemblance?)



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  16. The Birthers/ Teabaggers have no evidence that would stand up in a court of law in the United States. To all the Birthers in internet land, its upon you to prove to all of us (the majority) that what you are saying is true. Take it to court you bunch of cowards!

    Let me be clear none of these Birther/ Teabaggers dullards have taken there “Birther Documents of facts, more like lies” and none have won a case in the “U.S. Courts”, maybe in their simple minds (if they have any) but not in our “U.S. Courts”, so unless Birthers/ Teabaggers, whatever you want to be called, win a court case, we will continue to see as dullards, liars or racist or maybe all three. Deal with the real truth baby!

    To all the Teabaggers / Birthers/ Chicken Littles that keep saying that the sky is falling, and the Unites States will fail, never count against the United States of America, we are coming back and you and your losers are wrong!

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Posted By: Chris Carmouche