Friday, August 17, 2012

Social Security Administration's Disturbing Answers On Ammo Stockpiling Simply Raise More Questions

After catching wind of the speculation surrounding its recent request to purchase 174,000 rounds of hollow-point bullets, the Social Security Administration (SSA) apparently concluded that it had some explaining to do and immediately launched a blog to accomplish that goal. The only problem with the agency's explanations however, are that they raise more questions than they answer.

On a new blog, “Beyond the Numbers,” set up on the SSA Inspector General's website, the SSA attempts to provide greater "transparency," "accountability" and concrete answers to the questions raised by the recent ammo request.

To put it in the SSA's own words: "[W]e thought it would be appropriate to address recent media reports regarding the organization’s purchase of ammunition for our special agents’ duty weapons.'”

The SSA claims the hollow-point bullets are needed to supply the "295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States," and the agency further explains that these special agents "have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests” and these investigators "are similar to your State or local police officers."

And why would the SSA need 295 special agents in 66 offices across the country?

Other statements on the Beyond the Numbers blog may provide an unsettling answer: “Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately.” ... “They not only investigate allegations of Social Security fraud, but they also are called to respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees, and customers,” and the blog goes on to state: “Employee and visitor safety is the highest priority..."

174,000 rounds for 66 offices comes to over 2,600 hollow-point rounds at each office or an allotment of 600 hollow-point rounds for each "special agent."

That's still a lot of ammo.  It's not enough to start a war but it's certainly more than enough for an agency that sends out retirement and disability checks. 

Unfortunately for the SSA, their "explanation" only serves to confirm and fuel what was only speculation a couple of days ago when the story of the ammo purchase broke.

Is the SSA anticipating a large number of incidents of unrest and violence at Social Security Offices across the country... and, if so, why?

19 comments:

  1. People have trouble trusting a corrupt government.
    Presently the government of the United
    States of America is the most corrupt (transparent) in the history of the
    country.
    Not quite what the comrad in charge
    claimed it would be.

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    1. Remember while campaigning Obama said, we need a civillian police force that is as well funded as our military? I have no doubt that Obama is planning to declare Martial Law when he loses this election November 6. Hollow points are killing bullets, not training bullets.

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    2. That may well be what he wants, but it's not what he got, or even tried to get. He had higher priorities first, like making us much more dependent on the government, which has great potential for control....

      So, he "declares Martial Law" after losing? Who's going to follow such a patently illegal order? Especially in a nation that's so well armed, and to put these purchases in perspective, civilians buy 10-11 billion (sic) rounds per year in the US.

      As for hollow points, they're for stopping someone as fast as possible. Not for killing per se, "stopping power" scales with bullet diameter, lethality scales with the number of holes poked through someone. Hollow points stop people with fewer hits, i.e. fewer holes.

      Look below where I comment on why it can make sense nowadays to train with service ammo.

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    3. Maj R. D. Cole (USA-Ret)August 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM

      Absolutely true. If, in fact, the Agence is serious about training, 600 rounds per officer is really a paltry number. I am a concealed carry person and I expend more than that a year myself just to maintain proficiency (and that's only with one type of weapon - I have several separate types that I train on). so, folks, let's not get our panties in a wad over this one. That being said, I am not comfortable with the number of Federal agencies that now maintain swat-type units for, in my opinion, unnecessary reasons in light of the Agency's role in government (such as Dept of Education, EPA, and AMTRAC just to name a few).

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    4. Yep, one can question why such agencies would need SWAT type units; I mean, as a railroad Amtrak is the sort of organization that historically needs their own armed agents, but how could they have a SWAT team positioned to quickly respond to an incident where it could be anywhere in their widespread network, or even in the high volume Eastern corridor?

      Although it's just occurred to me there's a damned good reason a lot of the agencies need their own law enforcement units: who else would they call? The FBI could in theory help them, but due to historical institutional reasons they are so wrong an answer I can see why e.g. the SSA thinks they need 295 of their own agents. There's unfortunately a lot of Medicare fraud for them to police....

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  2. The Social Security Office needs agents with ammo! Wow! That's scary!

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  3. What are they going to do? Go door to door and start killing off some seniors to help balance the budget? Wouldn't surprise me they do so using the excuse that the victims were domestic terrorists who were a threat to the White House. Homeland Security is doing the same on a bigger scale.

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  4. The different agencies reporting that they are for "training" is questionable since Hollow points are over twice the cost as are typical wad cutter rounds that most people train with. But then they aren't spending "Their" money, are they?

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  5. Can you say Bolshevik Revolution?? I knew you could!! There is no reason why this agency should even have weapons period! That is what local, state and federal law enforcement agencies are for. Or do they expect those agencies to be "pre-occupied" as well?? Hmmm,...

    Events of this type happened in pre-WWII Germany, pre-Mao China, in Egypt as we speak, Syria, Iran, and a few other places that do not pursue the Freedoms that the citizens of the United States are currently losing...

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  6. Whatever happened to the Geneva Convention articles, LOAC the rules of armed conflict, along with various other treaties and agreements? The military is not authorized to use hollow points, how would a retirement and disabilities agency be authorized them?

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  7. Investigating SS fraud!!! Start at the White House.

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  8. What this says is that the government are going to shut down all entitlements, which means SSI SSD unemployment, and last welfare. But of course the government will still keep getting paid to wipe out people... thats why the ammo.....

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    1. You are absolutely right. I have been saying the same thing for ever. If Obama gets in office this next time it is over. The free food, free anything will be stopped, etc. The only reason some of the people will be voting for him is because they think they do not have to work but still get everything handed to them. They are about to come in for a really big surprise when all the free stuff is cancelled. Obama has promised the rose garden to them so he can get their votes and when he gets back into office that is when we will loose our Country. It is amazing how people who are for Obama have no idea what he is up to but if you keep up with what is going on everyday you learn pretty fast how serious this matter is. Of course, we will always have a President that cannot satisfy everyone but as long as he loves America then we know we will be able to save our Country. We are very close to being turned into a Muslim religion. No it hasn't happened yet but Obama is working on it and this next four years will be the breaking point. It happened in other Countries that we never thought it would happen to so it can certainly happen to us. Yes, I know I am only 50% right or wrong and I hope I am truly wrong but if it happens it will be around 2015. If Obama thinks he is going to loose the election then he will file Martial Law to stop the election and he will then become dictator which is what he wants. One way or the other he and his friend Soro will corrupt our Country. Hopefully, more and more people who voted for him in 2008 can now see what he is trying to do and will reconsider their choice.

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  9. Be sure to see the film "2016 Obama's America"

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  10. Work2SnowSki: Wadcutters are revolver practice ammo, guns in which there aren't feeding issues.

    The difference in price today, now that base metals have gotten quite expensive, between Full Metal Jacket (FMJ, the cheapest practical bullet type for semi-autos) and Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP, almost universally used for self-defense (details up on request)) is now quite small (as low as 5%).

    For this kind of minimal training budget (600-1200 per year, I'm assuming) there are strong arguments for practicing with your service ammo. It assures there will be no differences between when you practice and when you preform ... which is critical, since under stress you preform as you practice, and failure to use good substitutes for service ammo has killed more than a few officers.

    It ensures the handguns are feeding properly (JHP doesn't feed as well), it ensures there are no mixups with someone accidentally practice ammo in service ... that alone could make up the price difference.

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  11. HGA has the right of it. 600 rounds per year is not an excessive amount of practice for serious law enforcement officers (or civilians). And practicing with the same ammo as used for service loads is not only a good practice, it's mandated by regulation or law in many police departments.

    Which is all very nice, but one still has to ask why the Social Security Administration needs armed agents with full police powers....

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  12. I think the government sees societal breakdown on the horizon and is preparing across all agencies and divisions.

    Whatever happens is the American people's fault. They are the ones who have voted and put people in office who are wrecking this country.

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Posted By: Chris Carmouche